S3:E16 Outside the House Part 2

!e are back again with another new episode of our podcast. And this week... Well, actually, if you'll remember last week , Stuart had a lot of feelings about some stuff. Well, let me tell you, this week Dwayne could not pick enough hills to die on. He had lots of strong, we'll just say it that way, opinions. Maybe next week will be my week. Who knows? We'll see. But we are talking about the outside of your house again. This is part two of the things that you can do looking on the outside to improve your home. And I don't think there's much more else to say. I want you to hear Dwayne and his silliness. Let's get to it

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Hey guys, we are back again with another new episode of our podcast. And this week... Well, actually, if you'll remember last week Stuart had a lot of feelings about some stuff. Well, let me tell you, this week Dwayne could not pick enough hills to die on. He had lots of strong, we'll just say it that way, opinions. Maybe next week will be my week. Who knows? We'll see. But we are talking about the outside of your house again. This is part two of the things that you can do looking on the outside to improve your home. And I don't think there's much more else to say. I want you to hear Dwayne and his silliness. Let's get to it

Jeremy 1:38

Well, good morning. I don't know how this week has been for you alls. we had-- we just had the 4th, of July this past weekend, and between then and now I have, I still haven't had a hot dog 'cause, you know, family's, fireworks stand, so that's what I ended up doing on the 4th. I have watched now three Christmas movies

Dwayne 1:56

You, you, you c- we know what you're talking about, but you gotta go back and reiterate to the world family fireplace stand. You gotta tell

Jeremy 2:03

A fi-

Dwayne 2:03

about selling the fireplace or fireworks

Stuart 2:06

Fireworks

Jeremy 2:07

Yeah, I don't... I know nothing about fireplaces. so my in-laws, Well, a little bit. my in-laws, we think this is like our 15th year of them doing it. They have another family member that's involved in fireworks, but every year for the last 14, 15 years, we have set up a, or they have set up a fireworks stand, in their local town, and, we go down and help them on the weekend. So when, while people were eating their burgers and relaxing and having a good time, I am schlepping, whistling bungholes and, moon rockets

Stuart 2:36

Now, it, this is not just a stand for our listeners. It's like a 20 by 40

Jeremy 2:41

Yeah, no, it's a, it's a huge tent. Mm-hmm.

Stuart 2:44

it's a production

Jeremy 2:45

Yes. So, I know more about fireworks than I ever thought that I would know 'cause they were never something for me as a kid that I really

Stuart 2:51

you see those, uh, ro- sign, road signs that say, "Fireworks, turn left

Jeremy 2:57

Mm-hmm.

Stuart 2:57

that's what it

Jeremy 2:58

Well, they don't have to have any sign 'cause we're right off the interstate, so they can see us. They're like, "Oh

Dwayne 3:02

Was it a good year for firework sales?

Jeremy 3:04

yeah, I think they, they did better than they did last year, which is good. I think that people are expecting a whole lot more because, you know, the 250th anniversary. But you know, money's tough for everybody. And,

Dwayne 3:16

I thought I'm...

Stuart 3:17

don't know why prices just lowered at Walmart

Dwayne 3:20

Did they really? Okay.

Stuart 3:21

did

Jeremy 3:22

So that's what we heard time and time again. So I, actually, there were more people that were participating, but they were spending less money. So, you know, hey. but I'm glad that we were able to help them. And, it's always interesting when, you know, when you connect with people that way 'cause, you hear stories that you're not... You wouldn't have thought that you would've heard. So there was a lady who had lost her son, in some kind of car accident, and we had these, the lanterns that you light up and you kind of, they float up into the sky, and she was getting them for her family to, like, have a little memorial. I mean, it's, you know, you, you, you connect with people on a different level, so it's more than just, fireworks. But anyway, sorry, I got, I got, got a little too involved here. But the fireworks were this weekend, and then we came home. I have since then watched three Christmas movies. then I walked into the store, Toy and Sharon have been making the most beautiful fall arrangements. and so I feel like I'm living in all the seasons right now. And I actually made a social post about them last night 'cause they were so pretty. but I'm excited about that, so

Stuart 4:18

I actually made a social post the other one. It's like, because they were so pretty. Um, but I'm excited about it And I asked them, they're back there rearranging and doing all this

Jeremy 4:21

Mm-hmm.

Stuart 4:21

you ask the head of the floral department if you can move that?" They said, "Who's that?" I'm like, "I don't know."

Dwayne 4:29

I was thinking,

Jeremy 4:30

How big they are, unfortunately.

Dwayne 4:32

toy, at to- at this point in that

Jeremy 4:33

It's too w-

Dwayne 4:34

What

Jeremy 4:34

and I went back there and I was like, "Oh." uh, somebody said, "Well, I like this." And I was like, "Well, the question for me is, is this working better for you all? Like, is this like... That's all I care about. Like, I don't care who, who did th- Like if, if this is working be- And they were both thrilled. They were, they were very excited, so they just keep on pumping out. I'm excited for the fall stuff coming out. I mean, I'm excited for fall. I'm not ready to get rid of summer yet. Not, I don't wanna have 100-degree temperatures, but I always love fall, and I'm real- not to like s- not spoiler alert or anything, but they're really pumping out some beautiful stuff for fall. All right, so let's get to today's topic. Sorry, I g- I got us led off. So we're doing, we're doing part two

Dwayne 5:09

yeah, part two of, exterior love and, you know, what did we land on? Really, we, we just didn't get finished truthfully, 'cause there was so mu- more to cover. And one of the things I said to both of you, or Stuart at least, in passing a couple

Stuart 5:23

a couple days ago, is,

Dwayne 5:24

what was it?

Stuart 5:25

what was it? I'm gonna say I'll throw my foot mama. She goes to the Walmart, and there's a, a shrub that been two-- two hundred and twelve dollars,

Dwayne 5:32

buys it for 75

Stuart 5:33

seventy-five

Jeremy 5:34

Boo!

Stuart 5:35

But it's just,

Dwayne 5:36

right?

Stuart 5:36

it's just one, right?

Dwayne 5:37

what do you do with

Stuart 5:37

Well,

Dwayne 5:38

So

Stuart 5:38

do you do with one? So

Dwayne 5:39

had

Stuart 5:39

we already had this yard that had one of this, one of that, one of this,

Dwayne 5:41

one of

Stuart 5:41

and

Dwayne 5:41

was no

Stuart 5:42

there was no cohesiveness. It's just random stuff everywhere.

Dwayne 5:45

So what

Stuart 5:46

So what we all, I think, know is

Dwayne 5:48

to

Stuart 5:49

better to plant things

Dwayne 5:50

mass, right?

Jeremy 5:51

Mm-hmm

Dwayne 5:52

have, boxwoods, do three,

Stuart 5:54

do three, five, seven, twelve. If

Dwayne 5:55

have

Stuart 5:56

you have hostas, do twenty-two of them. So, so before that,

Dwayne 5:57

let's explore that idea first.

Stuart 5:59

what you're doing is creating a mass planting of it makes more of an... It's a curated

Dwayne 6:01

planting 'cause it makes more of an im- It's a curated collection

Stuart 6:05

collection of one plant. don't forget those hostas and daylilies. Whoo. them in half and keep going because they will self-propagate.

Jeremy 6:13

Yeah.

Stuart 6:14

take over. Just

Jeremy 6:15

I, I'm always a, a supporter of less is more as far as when it comes to like, like quantity-- not quantity, but when a number of styles. Yeah, variety. Yeah.

Dwayne 6:25

Yeah.

Jeremy 6:25

and so I always like it a little more edited. and I remember growing up, I, I started... I can't remember if I told y'all this, but if, you know, there were two, two other things I was really interested in life, and one, I thought I was gonna become an emergency room doctor, and then I heard a bone break, and then I said, "Yep, I'm out. I can't do this." and then the other one was a landscape architect, and because I am so inspired by the outside. And so there was a show, that I would watch when I was young, and I don't... Seemed like his name was Alan, and I don't know what channel it was on, but he was just doing outside landscaping. And I was just, was fascinated how he was drawing like the shape of the beds and,

Stuart 6:58

and,

Jeremy 6:59

how he would layer in the plants. But I always thought to myself, "Lord, you are putting too many things in here. There's like 98 different things in here." Now, he was grouping it in beautiful groups, but I was like, "Lord, this is way more than I ever wanna... less is more. Let's just edit it down." So,

Dwayne 7:12

Mm-hmm.

Stuart 7:13

dang

Jeremy 7:13

But I love me a boxwood. You can't ever go wrong with one of them. Mm-mm.

Stuart 7:16

Mm-hmm. I like arborvitae

Jeremy 7:18

Mm-hmm.

Stuart 7:19

It's like

Jeremy 7:19

Dwayne

Dwayne 7:20

is

Stuart 7:20

f- it's like nature's fence

Jeremy 7:22

The, the tall s-, green cone-shaped.

Stuart 7:25

Our,

Dwayne 7:25

Yeah.

Jeremy 7:26

And there's different kinds. They get different-- They can go different heights or whatever. But,

Dwayne 7:29

Mm. I love me a hydrangea in every form.

Jeremy 7:32

Yeah. Yeah.

Dwayne 7:33

Yeah.

Stuart 7:34

Yeah. mine are not blooming yet. I don't have one... Now, my cone hydrangea is beautiful, but my regular hydrangea, not one bud has popped out. The bush, the bush is about four feet round, but not one bud. So weird. well, last year it bloomed three different times and bloomed all the way till October.

Jeremy 7:53

No, that's it. She shot RC

Stuart 7:55

she put out too much and she done. Yeah.

Jeremy 7:57

Hayed.

Dwayne 7:59

That's what she said. Ah, there, there we go. There we go.

Jeremy 8:02

Yeah, well, a, a very classic mix of hydrangea, boxwood, hostas. You're never gonna go wrong with those, right? And I know last week, Dwayne, you had said buy the biggest ones that you can at the ti- you know, when you can,

Dwayne 8:13

Mm-hmm.

Jeremy 8:13

I do understand that sentiment because Lord, they are expensive. But, you know, they do grow, so you can't buy the ones that are the size of a coffee mug 'cause that's gonna take... You know, we've all seen them. Unless you're doing a small little low hedge. But no, as, as big as you, as big as you can

Dwayne 8:31

Yeah, yeah. Well, I've been, actually have a, a c- customer building a new house and, you know, we're starting with, exterior siding and color and, and doors and windows is really what I wanna land on. And it was one of the things, you know, what brand of windows you're gonna get and how big they're gonna be. But the other thing is that she didn't think about, and I said, "You need to go preview and be prepared for this conversation, and I'll come in toward the end once you

Stuart 8:57

Then once you decide which brands in

Dwayne 9:00

is the, the, the

Stuart 9:01

is the, the, the mullion or the grids,

Dwayne 9:03

what, what

Stuart 9:03

what, what the

Dwayne 9:04

grids

Stuart 9:04

layout of the grids are. Mm-hmm. And she said, "Well, I never thought about that." And I said, "Well, yeah, that, that changes everything, right?" And you draw

Dwayne 9:11

a line

Stuart 9:11

just a line straight down the middle, either two, if

Dwayne 9:14

can

Stuart 9:15

you want it farmhousy. You can have just the grids at the top. You

Dwayne 9:16

the bottom, you have

Stuart 9:17

can

Dwayne 9:17

grids,

Stuart 9:18

can have no grids,

Dwayne 9:18

all those

Stuart 9:19

all those things. And then she said, "Well, I just don't want those grids that where you have to clean the, clean them.

Dwayne 9:24

I want them

Stuart 9:25

I want them inside." And I'm like,

Dwayne 9:26

nope.

Stuart 9:26

"Yeah, nope. No you don't. Nope." She said, "Well, I didn't want the grids. They're-- The windows are too hard to be cleaned." And I said,

Dwayne 9:33

"Well, you're

Stuart 9:33

"Well, you're trying to build a house that feels authentic. It feels like it's been there for a while, right?

Dwayne 9:37

Do you

Stuart 9:38

Do you think they had a house in

Dwayne 9:40

or

Stuart 9:41

1837 or even in 1920

Dwayne 9:42

that had the

Stuart 9:43

that had the grids shoved in between the glass?" She said,

Dwayne 9:45

said, "Well, no."

Stuart 9:46

"Well, no." And I said,

Dwayne 9:47

there's your

Stuart 9:47

"Well, there's your answer."

Dwayne 9:49

Right?

Stuart 9:49

Hmm.

Dwayne 9:51

Nope,

Jeremy 9:51

Wait,

Stuart 9:52

Right? Is, is

Jeremy 9:52

on

Stuart 9:53

else gonna clean them?

Dwayne 9:54

she got enough money to hire people.

Jeremy 9:55

Hold on. So she, hold on. She, she did, hold on. I think I... My cat's playing on my table, so I think I might've been distracted.

Stuart 10:03

grids

Jeremy 10:04

Oh, God. Oh. Oh, God

Dwayne 10:08

Okay, look. Okay,

Stuart 10:10

Mm-mm.

Dwayne 10:11

Mm-hmm, all day long.

Jeremy 10:13

Well, okay, now listen, I know that y- I know that you like... No, listen, you say that now, but I know there have been many times when you said that you did not wanna do that, you wish that you would've done it. You have t- you have said that because that is one of the reasons why I made sure I did the ones inside the glass, was solely because what you had complained about

Dwayne 10:30

Well, I'm complaining that I want it now

Stuart 10:33

Oh, shit.

Jeremy 10:36

Look at him sitting there with his arms crossed.

Stuart 10:38

is Al

Jeremy 10:39

He's...

Stuart 10:41

Nah, put that stuff in between the glass

Jeremy 10:44

Listen, we talk on here about how p- create a home that is sustainable and something you can live, live in and enjoy, and you're telling this woman to put mullions on the outside of the glass so she has to clean them damn things all the time just because it's... Are you... Oh my God

Stuart 11:02

that pop off or are they built into the glass?

Dwayne 11:04

Well, on the outside, I don't know this, but I think you can only get them permanently attached to the glass on the outside. Inside's a different story, that you can get them permanently attached or you can pop them off, and I told her that. I said, "That's a different story inside. We can explore that." So okay, well,

Jeremy 11:21

Well, are, since you're worried about how the house was originally, are they still carrying around candlelight on the inside too? Look at him. He is not happy with me this morning.

Stuart 11:32

No, they aren't. The help is.

Jeremy 11:38

I was just wondering how far that hill was that you wanted to die on

Dwayne 11:41

I can tell you this lovely lady, she probably, very wonderful. I can almost guarantee she ain't gonna clean those windows anyway. There you go. Right? write a check. Now, I don't have enough... 'Cause I think I got a quote once and it was like $800 to clean the windows in this

Jeremy 11:58

Mm-hmm

Dwayne 11:58

mine, 'cause of every one of

Stuart 11:59

Mm-hmm.

Dwayne 12:00

And I'm like, "Well, I ain't gonna do that." So anyway. Okay. Well, we'll just table that one, 'cause I don't know what to tell you, 'cause these other two fools are using my words against me. but I want, I want authentic, and I want, I want grids,

Jeremy 12:12

God.

Dwayne 12:14

Okay.

Jeremy 12:14

Oh my Lord. Well, if you're on, if you're talking about the windows, we should also talk about shutters, because shutters, if you don't have them, they can make a huge difference, or even if you just need to update them. 'Cause listen, we know this. At some point they came out with them plastic vinyl shu- shutters, and I'm not knocking them because that's what I had on my old house. well, that's fine. You can do it. That's fine. but at the time that was what I, what I could afford and that's what I could do.

Dwayne 12:36

it

Jeremy 12:36

But, oh hush. But Lord, he is gonna be such a pain in the ass this morning for us, isn't he?

Stuart 12:42

I got a delivery. I'll be gone for a little bit

Jeremy 12:44

so what I was gonna say was if you do get the plastic ones, or the vinyl, I hate to call them plastic, but that's what they are, listen, they do fade. They do tell you they're colorfast, and they are good for a while, but Lord, you gotta paint them, you gotta keep them, you gotta keep them up, you gotta do something. So if you need to paint them, paint them. If you need to replace them, replace them, but you just can't leave them. Now, on our current house here, we have the original wooden shutters that they, they put up when we built the- when they built the house, and I had to have them kind of repaired and put up, and I do love them, but it is upkeep. But I always think

Dwayne 13:13

that's, what I want.

Jeremy 13:14

Yeah

Dwayne 13:15

right, and they probably make composite shutters, and I, I know they do matter of fact. But I always want shutters. Again, authenticity. Even though it might be just a simple ranch house, that level of detail that gives something historic age. And like, so you get, wooden shutters or, composite shutters that have some s- thickness to it. Not a shutter just literally just screwed and grilled and, and attached to the brick or the siding. Put hinges on them. the little S-curve, which is called a

Jeremy 13:46

S- so, mm-hmm

Dwayne 13:47

that instantly tells your house has a, a, a history to it, a personality to it. So if you don't, I, I'm gonna say this out loud. I'd almost rather not have shutters on the house at all if there's those plastic ones that are just screwed to the, the house and drilled in there. I just, every time I look at them, they just... It looks like it's, what somebody put a forsythia wreath out in January and it's still hanging there in July. I hate

Jeremy 14:12

I don't know if my eyes can roll far enough back in my head. I, I mean, listen, people's budget is what they ha- no, listen. B- I, well, I'm looking out my window now, and I see s- homes that have, vinyl sh- we'll, we'll get off the vinyl wood thing. If you can do wood, do wood. If you can't, you know, they still make a difference in the house. but what I always find so fascinating is if you go on Pinterest or you go on Google and you just type in, shutter styles for exterior homes or, and if, if you wanna, like, Google it w- for your, your region, wherever you are, because people have used them in ways that I would've never thought of. Now, I'm not talking about putting them on, using crazy sizes or weird shapes or weird patterns or, you know, anything like that. But it's just seeing how they've mixed it with the other styles of the architecture that they have on the outside of the home, and there's so many interesting ways that you can add character to the house without, break, reinventing the wheel. Like, there's some beautiful choices out there that I always like to look at and be like, "Oh."

Dwayne 15:10

Mm-hmm.

Jeremy 15:10

'Cause, like, we are also planning on doing,

Dwayne 15:12

grid layout and the pattern and the...

Jeremy 15:14

Yeah. Yeah. And even, like-

Dwayne 15:17

I, can I stop you? Let me stop you. I'm gonna go back and eat my words because I said to you, "I don't want any house if it has, shutters on it, that are plastic." That's a lie. I, I'd rather have shutters that are plastic or vinyl than have nothing. So I apologize. I really do. I still want wooden ones, but I can take shutters as opposed to no shutters, so I'm gonna shut up on that one. Okay, now go. After I started thinking about it, I was like, "No, you just lied. You, you'd, you'd rather have that than nothing." So

Jeremy 15:44

What? Dwayne said something just to say something? What?

Dwayne 15:49

I, I go to my soapbox because I really do want only wooden shutters, and they're like, "I don't want those at all." And I was like, "No, you do. Just shut up. You do." So

Stuart 16:00

Like all of the, the shutters on Terra

Jeremy 16:03

Mm-hmm

Dwayne 16:03

Yes

Stuart 16:04

Are actually made of Hardie board

Jeremy 16:06

Mm-hmm.

Dwayne 16:07

See? See

Jeremy 16:08

Yeah

Dwayne 16:08

It's

Stuart 16:08

So, well, because a wood shutter for a nine-foot-tall window times 27, actually times 52 'cause you need two of them,

Jeremy 16:20

Mm-hmm

Stuart 16:20

you know, a lot.

Dwayne 16:23

d- how

Stuart 16:23

And it's a lot of maintenance

Dwayne 16:25

Did you have a trim carpenter build those?

Stuart 16:27

yeah. He built them. Stood in the driveway and built them, plopped them on in there.

Dwayne 16:31

Crazy expensive to do or not too bad? Not too

Stuart 16:34

No, 'cause you know, we didn't do it on every win- just on the driveway side and the other side where we had them put in.

Dwayne 16:42

Mm-hmm.

Stuart 16:42

I mean, it was like $5,000 but still that's eight window coverings pretty much custom made to

Jeremy 16:50

Yeah. There's-- They, they can be so ridiculously expensive

Stuart 16:55

yeah. Yeah. Wood ones would've had to have been cedar because bugs would've ate the shit out of them, you know? And

Dwayne 17:01

Mm-hmm.

Stuart 17:02

the wood bees get in there and eat holes in them and create things and whatever. And with that, with that Hardie Board nothing eats it. So it's pretty maintenance free too.

Jeremy 17:12

Well, along these lines, I'm also, the reason why shutters and all that was on my mind is that we're gonna have to build, a new garage. Our garage, we're gonna have to tear it down and replace it with one. in our neighborhood, all, all the homes were built without garages. And what I've heard was that in the early '50s after these houses were, built, some, some, some company came around and was like, "We'll build you a garage for like $200." And, so that's why a lot of the houses in this neighborhood got garages, and then they've all had to be rebuilt 'cause they're just... You know, I mean, listen, they've li- they've stood for 70 years, so I guess they're fine. But they did. But, but that also has me thinking of like, okay, I need to figure out the, the siding, and I wanna-- I know we'll probably do some kinda Hardie Board or something, you know, on that. But it's also looking at the dormers that I've got up front because I want... I feel like they're just so plain and I want to update those. So I've been, yeah, trimming them out in some kinda capacity. And so,

Stuart 18:06

so,

Jeremy 18:06

is one of the things where-- And I haven't done enough work. But okay, so we have a Ca-

Stuart 18:09

And I haven't done enough work with

Jeremy 18:09

classic colonial Cape Cod.

Stuart 18:11

Cape Cod.

Jeremy 18:12

the, trim on the underside is, has dental molding. So it's a little bit more formal than what I would really ultimately want.

Stuart 18:20

So

Jeremy 18:21

and so when we replace the garage, we'll probably end up just replacing all this too. so I don't think I want to put the dental molding back. But I love the look when we were in, Outer Banks, I don't know, a couple years ago, the, all of the, the wood cedar shingle homes that are out there, I've always been, I'll always love the look of that. But they had some like Hardie Board like stuff. So I was like, well, if I replace my dental molding with just like regular clean, like updated molding, do you think I can get away with that? 'Cause really the den- the dental moldings have

Stuart 18:48

isn't enough to carry that off. Your house is v- very traditional in curb appeal, and I think that'll change it a lot. And on your new garage, you need to put some dormers on it.

Jeremy 19:01

Oh, Lord, you can't even s-- you can't even see that yet.

Stuart 19:03

Doesn't matter.

Jeremy 19:04

It's on the other side of the house. All right

Stuart 19:07

side of the road that everybody drives past

Dwayne 19:09

sometimes you don't do it for others, you do it for yourself.

Jeremy 19:13

You're talking to me?

Dwayne 19:15

Mm-hmm. Yeah, you said

Stuart 19:16

Mm-hmm.

Jeremy 19:16

Yeah.

Dwayne 19:16

Mm-hmm.

Jeremy 19:18

yeah, I don't know. Well, so

Dwayne 19:19

do dormers, and we got the right grids, and you got dental molding. You've got some copper in there. Oh, Lord,

Jeremy 19:24

Oh, okay. Now listen, you're gonna have to, you're gonna have to start put- pulling out your checkbook.

Stuart 19:28

Capara.

Dwayne 19:31

Copper gutterings, a rain chain.

Jeremy 19:34

I don't know. I c- I can't do rain chain. I love a, I love a rain chain, but I, I don't think I can do it this time. but that's what w- the, the dormers, trying to figure out the dormers 'cause they're just, they're just white vinyl siding right now, and there's just no trim detail to them. So that's one of the things I gotta figure out once we get to that to really dress it up

Dwayne 19:49

trim it out with Hardie Board on the vi- on the sides, and some kind of header over the window in

Jeremy 19:55

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm

Dwayne 19:56

lots of ways to get there, that starts changing. And again, if you're reroofing or something like that, again, a little copper flashing, you, you don't

Jeremy 20:03

W-we have cop-- we do have copper flashing where the roof was replaced, but,

Dwayne 20:08

Okay. Perfect.

Jeremy 20:09

but that was replaced a few years ago, so that ain't gonna happen again. But

Dwayne 20:13

No. No, we won't do it again. you- it's really in new builds is what you'll see it, but you'll see, can lights that are

Stuart 20:21

The recess into the softer

Dwayne 20:22

highlight the

Stuart 20:22

are like

Dwayne 20:22

of the house or the most of

Jeremy 20:24

Mm-hmm.

Dwayne 20:24

of the house. Do you all like that?

Stuart 20:26

You roll like that?

Jeremy 20:26

No

Stuart 20:27

No

Dwayne 20:27

don't, I don't either. I don't either. Feels modern, doesn't it? It just...

Stuart 20:32

Well, if,

Dwayne 20:32

I'd r- I, I wanna light it from the bottom up, not down, right? I don't know, there's something about that that's just... I g- I've seen it in a few places that g- I could live with it, but generally, I'm gonna say generally, it isn't my first preference to, to do

Stuart 20:45

Well, it seems like people go a little too deep in it, and they're like, instead of highlighting the corners, then they put like 12 across the front of their house, and it looks like a

Jeremy 20:53

Yeah. Yeah, I do think that it, it get, it becomes too much. I do, I do. I also think it...

Dwayne 20:58

but it's very additive

Jeremy 20:59

I think that it also, makes it feel a little bit more commercial than a, a home.

Dwayne 21:04

mm-hmm.

Jeremy 21:05

so I, I am a firm believer... Okay, so there was a, a designer that I followed when I was young, and he always said that you should have, and this is inside of a room, but you should always have as much light going up that you have down. And so he was talking about like up lights, and yeah, so he... But now listen, he was putting like palm trees in the corner and up lighting them. So that kinda gives you the, the era of the time. But what he was 100% correct on was the, all of the layers of the lighting, putting all, you know, all those in there. And so I always took a lot of inspiration from that. So when I look on the outside, I'm always like trying to figure out,

Stuart 21:34

to figure

Jeremy 21:35

the lighting as far as like I do think that it looks more

Stuart 21:38

more dramatic and more

Jeremy 21:40

going up than it does coming down. But like, you know, if you've got lights flanking your door or your garage or you've got, you've got other layers of that lighting where it's kinda up going down as well, so.

Stuart 21:51

So- Mm-hmm.

Jeremy 21:52

But yeah, I don't, I don't really care for the ones in... 'Cause they're too, it's too close to the, to the wall, in my opinion.

Dwayne 21:58

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm,

Stuart 21:58

opinion. Yeah.

Jeremy 22:00

Mm-hmm.

Dwayne 22:01

no,

Stuart 22:01

Yeah, no, it's just one of

Dwayne 22:02

the

Stuart 22:02

the, the

Dwayne 22:03

th- I, I appreciate the fact

Stuart 22:04

th- I appreciate the fact that there, it's,

Dwayne 22:05

the house

Stuart 22:05

the house is not sitting there in the dark,

Jeremy 22:07

Mm-hmm.

Dwayne 22:07

Or it's

Stuart 22:07

Mm-hmm. Or just one little

Dwayne 22:08

over the

Stuart 22:08

light over the porch. But

Dwayne 22:10

the end of the

Stuart 22:10

at the end of the day, I'm like,

Dwayne 22:11

love

Stuart 22:12

love

Dwayne 22:13

you know, at least

Stuart 22:13

you know, at least I haven't loved it. There's a house near us and,

Dwayne 22:16

it, it, both

Stuart 22:17

it's both inside and outside. Th- th- these lights are in the socket and then they also have a vaulted

Dwayne 22:22

that

Stuart 22:22

room that you see and the lights are always on and I'm like,

Dwayne 22:24

"How,

Stuart 22:24

"How, how do you, how do you stay inside this house with a, a two hundred can lights on

Dwayne 22:30

But it, it, it's look, it

Stuart 22:31

all the time?"

Dwayne 22:31

always look, it looks like it's the airport. I'm driving toward the airport. There's so many of them. And I'm

Jeremy 22:35

Mm-hmm.

Dwayne 22:36

you

Stuart 22:36

Yeah

Dwayne 22:36

like what Stuart said, you went too far, right?

Jeremy 22:39

Mm-hmm. You know, while we're, we're speaking of lighting on the outside of the house, we- when we were, when I was with Jeremy's family and we were in Pigeon Forge, we were going to something where we had to go kind of to the main drag for a restaurant or something. And we were driv- And there was this house that they had built very close to the main drag, so probably like a block away, maybe a block and a half away. and they had spent some money. They had their, their gate, so, you know, you could see it had beautiful stack stone, or brick, like columns for the gate. They had a beautiful fence that walked up, went all the way around.

Stuart 23:11

around.

Jeremy 23:11

home, lots of trim. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. So we're there and I'm like, "Okay, this is, you know, this is nice. I don't think I'd want it right here, but this is, you know, nice. I'm happy for them." Well, then as we drive by, they then put up

Stuart 23:22

there

Jeremy 23:22

the lights. They hadn't, they didn't have lights on the house yet.

Stuart 23:25

this

Jeremy 23:25

They killed this house with the lights. They put the most crazy

Stuart 23:29

here, but you know, it's nice." Happy driving.

Jeremy 23:29

ass modern vertical rod black box

Stuart 23:36

I can't--

Jeremy 23:39

were able to take a picture, but I drove by, I saw it, and I went, "Oh my God, what have they done to this house?"

Stuart 23:43

gotta do this

Jeremy 23:43

And of course, nobody else in the car noticed. And of course, then as, 'cause I'm me, I couldn't leave it alone for the next hour and a half. And so as we were driving back, I said, "I may just drive back by the house so they can see it when we're back, going on the way back up to the cabin." And everybody's like, "Oh, that's awful." I'm like, "Yeah, that's awful." So this brings me to, look at your lighting. Is it time to replace or update your, the lighting outside the house? And so if it is, don't do something stupid. Don't... You know, we talk about how lighting is one of the easy ways that you can totally update a room or space just by, you know, adding something that m- maybe is a little more modern or updated. But I do think when it comes to the outside of the house, unless you're going all in as far as, like, updating everything to be a lot more modern, that there is a limit of how much you can do outside before it turns into what the hell?

Dwayne 24:34

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Stuart 24:35

Is that for real?

Jeremy 24:35

Yeah.

Stuart 24:36

Yeah, absolutely.

Dwayne 24:37

yeah. Yeah, you

Stuart 24:37

For real? Mm-hmm.

Dwayne 24:38

go too modern. You just can't.

Jeremy 24:39

Mm-hmm. again, unless you're everything, but

Dwayne 24:42

inside, you know, so don't, don't get cute with lighting on the outside of your house

Jeremy 24:45

Yeah.

Dwayne 24:46

house.

Jeremy 24:46

Yeah.

Dwayne 24:47

cute,

Jeremy 24:47

Mm-mm. And they tried to get cute, and it was bad. Mm-mm.

Dwayne 24:50

Bad,

Jeremy 24:51

even say it was trendy. This was bad

Dwayne 24:54

I'll tell you one

Stuart 24:54

See, one of the things, and it goes back to this, conversation that Stuart was investigating wanting to do gas lanterns many years

Jeremy 25:00

Hmm.

Stuart 25:00

and the expense, and it's expensive to do gas lanterns,

Dwayne 25:04

for the

Stuart 25:04

for the installation alone,

Jeremy 25:05

Mm-hmm

Dwayne 25:06

but then can you even get them installed? And you

Stuart 25:10

isn't

Dwayne 25:10

You can run them off

Stuart 25:12

expensive, but then...

Dwayne 25:13

but it's

Stuart 25:13

Can you-- You would get them installed and you have a... You can run them off

Dwayne 25:14

and all

Stuart 25:15

propane, but it's not easy

Dwayne 25:16

natural gas, you probably

Stuart 25:17

also. Yeah, it's even worse. Yeah. Well, we should move on, right?

Dwayne 25:21

right, is it, it's expensive to... it's not that expensive, is it?

Jeremy 25:25

I mean pro- if you're gonna do a propane tank, yeah. I mean, it's, it's more expensive I think than doing-- if you have natural gas, like if you've got gas in the house. It

Dwayne 25:33

It is more expensive, propane.

Stuart 25:34

But

Dwayne 25:35

well, the reason I say that is I, you know, I can't- we don't have natural gas at our house, and I love the look because our house is colonial. So what I started

Stuart 25:43

uh, around with the wattage of the light bulbs, right? 'Cause normally you'll just, you know, if it takes a little standard light bulb, you'll put

Dwayne 25:46

I've been playing, around with the wattage of the light bulbs, right?

Stuart 25:51

forty

Dwayne 25:51

watts in and

Stuart 25:52

watt in there, sixty watt. So I end up putting, um,

Dwayne 25:56

what is it?

Stuart 25:56

what is it?

Dwayne 25:57

Nightlight

Stuart 25:58

Not light bulbs in there with...

Jeremy 25:59

Oh,

Stuart 25:59

Right? No, it's real

Jeremy 26:00

was getting ready to say.

Stuart 26:01

Mm-hmm.

Dwayne 26:02

real dim,

Stuart 26:03

Those,

Dwayne 26:03

So

Stuart 26:04

seven watts.

Dwayne 26:05

seven watts,

Jeremy 26:06

Oh my God.

Dwayne 26:07

it did, what it did is it did cast enough light, by the way. I know you... because it, it held four bulbs in it,

Jeremy 26:14

Oh, okay

Dwayne 26:15

each one of those bulbs, you know. So you think about it, it, it, it did cast a little light and it had enough for you can get in the garage. And far enough away, it kinda had this little glow

Stuart 26:25

little gloat to it

Dwayne 26:26

is

Stuart 26:26

than as if it were,

Dwayne 26:28

gas

Stuart 26:28

Gas lantern. Because the thing is, anybody that has gas

Dwayne 26:31

or

Stuart 26:32

lanterns or wants them,

Dwayne 26:33

don't

Stuart 26:33

they don't put out a lot of light.

Jeremy 26:34

Mm-mm.

Stuart 26:37

if you do gas lanterns,

Dwayne 26:38

well, I've ended

Stuart 26:39

obviously having to supplement them, like if you do gas lanterns on the, on the door, and then you put a-

Dwayne 26:44

I think, little can light in the soffit and it hi- highlight the front of the door. And now you think, well, th- that's gonna dissipate and you won't be able to see the gas lanterns 'cause of this light. That's not true. They all worked in con-

Stuart 26:57

In con-- in unison,

Dwayne 26:59

you got

Stuart 26:59

and you got the effect of the warmth of the glow,

Dwayne 27:01

actually

Stuart 27:01

but you actually have enough light to be able to get in the

Jeremy 27:03

Yeah

Stuart 27:04

So that's another little trick you have to play.

Dwayne 27:06

if you do, you

Stuart 27:06

if you do, if you have the luxury of gas lanterns, you've still gotta

Dwayne 27:08

actually

Stuart 27:09

actually-

Dwayne 27:09

usually

Stuart 27:10

was gonna say you still have to have more light 'cause it is no different than walking around in 1800s with a candle.

Jeremy 27:17

While she's cleaning her windows

Dwayne 27:18

any,

Stuart 27:18

Cleaning her windows why she's cleaning her windows.

Dwayne 27:20

well, if anybody would know, you know, we can reference your life. Mm.

Jeremy 27:26

I love a gas lantern. I, you know, I think last week J- I mentioned when Jeremy and I would go drive around Nashville and look at these, beautiful homes that they'd all been updated. and they would have the gas lanterns in the front and I'd be like, "Oh my God, I would die. I would die trying to get into this home because you can't see anything." So yeah, it's definitely, it's a beauty, but it's, you have to, you have to have supplemental, absolutely. But I'd have it everywhere if I could. Oh God, I love it.

Dwayne 27:49

Oh,

Jeremy 27:49

Mm, pennies, pennies a day. Pennies a day. Mm-hmm.

Stuart 27:53

a day

Jeremy 27:53

Mm, mm, mm, mm, mm. How do y'all feel about, pathway lighting?

Stuart 27:59

Again, it can be way overdone real quick.

Jeremy 28:04

I agree

Stuart 28:05

I think it needs to be specific. If it's leading you to, like, a pool, great. If it's leading you from your mailbox to your front door, just don't do it

Dwayne 28:16

Well, it goes back to the idea of you're just highlighting, a walkway, right?

Jeremy 28:20

Mm-hmm

Dwayne 28:21

It's the same idea of putting can lights in a q- in a house, right? A builder, or many people, they'll just put four can lights in the middle of the, of the corners of a room, right? And I'm like, "No, no, no. I want the can lights and I want them in front of the draperies, I want it in front of this." And they are not evenly placed throughout the room, but it doesn't look like cottage cheese. So if you want to figure out how to get from your mailbox to your front door, instead of highlighting the- the walkway,

Stuart 28:44

The walkway,

Dwayne 28:44

don't

Stuart 28:44

why don't you highlight

Dwayne 28:45

of the

Stuart 28:46

some of the shrubs

Dwayne 28:47

the,

Stuart 28:47

the, the, the walkway,

Dwayne 28:48

example?

Stuart 28:48

example?

Dwayne 28:49

highlighting a

Stuart 28:50

a moment as opposed to a corner.

Jeremy 28:53

Yeah

Dwayne 28:53

right? I,

Stuart 28:54

Right. I don't want to see the walkway. I want you to highlight

Dwayne 28:56

important i- in, in the

Jeremy 28:58

Yeah. I, I, I am on the same page. I actually wanted to add like some little,

Stuart 29:03

little... At

Jeremy 29:04

our... That at the end of the, the walkway out the front where our

Stuart 29:07

where

Jeremy 29:07

meets like the front,

Stuart 29:08

the

Jeremy 29:09

city sidewalk.

Stuart 29:09

street

Jeremy 29:10

we have, some boxwoods there and, and I wanted to add something. Just feel like it'd bring the light out from the house, like closer to the street, 'cause we've got the big tree up there. But I just feel like need something. And, and Jeremy does not think that we need it, so. I mean, whether we need it, that's probably a different thing. But

Stuart 29:24

he listen to this podcast? No. Hmm. Okay.

Dwayne 29:27

in

Stuart 29:28

In most every case, you're

Dwayne 29:30

wrong,

Stuart 29:30

so. Oh, Lord

Jeremy 29:38

you know. No, he's gonna ride it many times, but when it comes to the house, he's not, but I won't tell him that.

Dwayne 29:43

do for a living?

Jeremy 29:44

Yeah, I know.

Dwayne 29:45

Mm-hmm.

Jeremy 29:46

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yep. Now, just so I'm gonna put this out there, this is what we all say about all of our spouses, so so you, you, you think it's hard to be married to an engineer. I'm sure it's also hard to be married to somebody who does design in the house.

Stuart 30:09

Try being married to a contractor who thinks he can design

Dwayne 30:14

Well, now look, you were all verklempt about him cutting that hole out of your, carport and how bad it looked, and we went and

Stuart 30:20

Ugh,

Dwayne 30:21

it, and it was

Stuart 30:21

I still hate it

Dwayne 30:22

that bad. It wasn't

Jeremy 30:23

now, now hold on. He had not seen the hole when... So, okay, so for people listening, the, the, someone had installed this beautiful, sh- was it, like chevron pattern of, wood paneling in, on, in the carport. And, and then the husband decided that he needed to have external access. Anyway, he had, he ended up cutting into it. So we just, Stuart had found this out while we were on our way back, and he hadn't seen it. So when we stopped by the house, that's when, when he got to see it the first time. It was not as bad as what I thought it was gonna be, but damn, I wish that wouldn't have happened

Dwayne 30:59

Yeah, I wish it left it alone. Yeah, it left it alone, but it wasn't that bad

Jeremy 31:03

No, but th-this should have never happened

Stuart 31:07

You should see it now. There's the padlock hanging from the ceiling

Dwayne 31:10

Oh, Lord

Jeremy 31:14

It's like a dominatrix wood paneling ceiling.

Stuart 31:17

I'm just like, "Ugh." Now, now I'm like, "You need to stain, you need to stain it so it just all disappears. Stain it dark."

Jeremy 31:27

Oh my God, he's put a padlock on it

Stuart 31:29

got, I got my terrazzo floor,

Jeremy 31:32

That's right. And I can't wait.

Dwayne 31:33

It's

Jeremy 31:34

Yeah, I cannot wait until we can sh- we can share the images of your, the materials, 'cause Dwayne was so, was so accurate of how you approached that in that house in such a, a wonderful way. The, the tile and everything is so good. So, so good.

Stuart 31:47

you. Thank you. Thank you.

Jeremy 31:48

All right. Well, I think we have, at least warmed up this morning so we can, figure out who to tell to get mullions in their windows and who not to, and

Dwayne 31:56

Hmm

Jeremy 31:57

get the shutters and all of those kinds of things. We'll be back next week with another new interesting podcast. And guys, I don't even know when these things are dropping, but you know what we have to start talking about soon? Christmas in July. Oh, my God. Okay. It's... I don't know how we're already here, but we're here. All right. Thanks so much for listening. All of the cool stuff is down in the show notes below. Until next week, we will see you then. All right, bye.

Stuart 32:18

bye