S3:E15 Working on the Outside

Hey, everybody. We are back this week with another new podcast, and this week we are turning our attention to the outside of the house. We talk so much about the inside, Dwayne thought, "Let's talk about the outside," which is a good topic to cover because there's so many things that we can do. In this episode, we talk about the sun and how it is such a pain when it comes to paint colors. We talk about outdoor lighting. We talk about trying to figure out the right kind of windows for the house. We talk about... Well, you know what? Just listen to the podcast. We'll, we'll get into it, and hopefully this will be part one of helping you figure out how we can freshen up the outside of the house

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Hey, everybody. We are back this week with another new podcast, and this week we are turning our attention to the outside of the house. We talk so much about the inside, Dwayne thought, "Let's talk about the outside," which is a good topic to cover because there's so many things that we can do. In this episode, we talk about the sun and how it is such a pain when it comes to paint colors. We talk about outdoor lighting. We talk about trying to figure out the right kind of windows for the house. We talk about... Well, you know what? Just listen to the podcast. We'll, we'll get into it, and hopefully this will be part one of helping you figure out how we can freshen up the outside of the house

Jeremy 1:38

Dwayne, what was it that you said you wanted to talk about today? 'Cause I thought, oh, that was interesting 'cause

Dwayne 1:41

stuff.

Jeremy 1:42

yeah, we, we don't, we've never really talked about it

Dwayne 1:45

Yeah, and I pitched the idea to you, and you said, "Yeah, we haven't done that." And really what's, on the forefront, the reason I brought it is I've got a customer looking at replacing a, a new front door, and I got a customer wanting shutter color, and I have a customer saying, "I don't like my house. Should I paint the brick?" And my husband's finally on, the painter, "Shouldn't do it." A- and there's more, and we'll go through each of them. But it's talking about what to do the outside to your house and update it and current. And also,, I thought about we went and saw Stuart's new house and his windows. He can talk about how he landed on it and what he did for his front door, and homework about details about the exterior. And then also we can land on things that are trendy and don't do when things are trendy. But everything outside because, again, it's the curb appeal. We've always talked about your front door and a basket and what the pretty flowers. But you know what? If you got an ugly black dress, you know, you, you can't... You can add pearls all day, but it's still gonna be ugly, right?

Jeremy 2:41

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm

Dwayne 2:41

let's, let's, let's... Right? And so it's addressing those. And some houses you just can't fix, but there's other cosmetic things that you really can do, to change the personality a whole lot. That, that's what I wanna talk about today.

Jeremy 2:54

Well, I think,, this will be a appreciated one because the number of times people have talked about outside, they either do something and they hate it once they do the color, or it's, it's always a struggle because the sun is a bitch and it screws up everything

Dwayne 3:09

The son is a what?

Jeremy 3:10

A bitch. A big old bitch. Capital B-I-T-C-H. Mm-hmm

Dwayne 3:14

you go. Uh,

Stuart 3:15

Listen, Mother Nature always wins.

Jeremy 3:17

She does. She don't care. She don't care about you

Stuart 3:20

it doesn't. She doesn't. She doesn't

Jeremy 3:22

Mm-hmm.

Dwayne 3:22

She run, running right over your face. Look at that.

Jeremy 3:24

Mm-hmm

Stuart 3:25

She, she will steal your sunshine

Dwayne 3:28

Ah.

Stuart 3:28

and,

Dwayne 3:29

Oh.

Stuart 3:30

your parade

Jeremy 3:31

And have the sweat rolling down the, your, the crack of your back. Mm-hmm.

Stuart 3:34

Um, and, and freeze your balls off

Jeremy 3:36

Mm-hmm

Dwayne 3:37

there's the visuals that we just did not need to know today. so where do you wanna start? You wanna start with the front door?

Jeremy 3:43

Yeah, let's talk about, you know, uh, yeah, let's, uh, let's start there. You know, w- uh, many years ag-

Stuart 3:48

I

Jeremy 3:48

Oh.

Stuart 3:48

start at the front door

Dwayne 3:50

Who do you want

Jeremy 3:50

Okay.

Dwayne 3:51

it

Jeremy 3:51

Where do you wanna start?

Stuart 3:52

start at the mailbox and quit putting tacky shit on your mailbox. 'Cause honestly that, that is the first thing people see when they come to your house is a mailbox. You don't need a- You- know it's trendy right now, you do not need a goose with clothes on it. You do not need a f- do not need a p-

Dwayne 4:14

a

Stuart 4:14

paper swag. Mm-hmm.

Jeremy 4:17

I, I, I don't know

Dwayne 4:19

I'm like, I don't understand it

Stuart 4:20

N- now listen, one of my clients in Tuscany has a goose that she's had before w- before mm-hmm, before it was a trend, and its name is Pamela Ganderson.

Dwayne 4:34

Oh. Is she,

Jeremy 4:34

Yeah

Dwayne 4:34

on the back porch or front porch? Front porch. Oh

Stuart 4:36

porch or front porch? Oh, it is right on the front porch, right out where everybody can see it. And

Jeremy 4:40

know,

Stuart 4:41

weekly

Jeremy 4:42

I don't know if it's like a throwback, 'cause I, I wanna say that they were... Were they, weren't they popular like a long time ago, like in the '80s?

Stuart 4:50

but it shouldn't be a throwback, it's a throwaway.

Jeremy 4:52

w- I mean, they're too heavy to throw away. They're too heavy to throw away.

Stuart 4:55

they are concrete.

Jeremy 4:57

we did see this at market. There were those damn geese every- everywhere, but it had some kind of different ver- uh, it, it doesn't make any sense to me either, but okay. If you, listen, if you've got one that makes you happy, fine, but I don't want one

Dwayne 5:08

don't, don't tacky up your mailbox.

Stuart 5:10

No. Just, just buy a nice mailbox.

Dwayne 5:13

Just span, yes, minimum span,

Stuart 5:15

Just buy a nice mailbox, and then you don't have to add anything to it

Dwayne 5:18

you at your new house having to buy a mailbox? Because this is not something that's on my radar much. So, um,

Stuart 5:24

we did just have a mailbox debate, yes.

Dwayne 5:27

that's what it is. So that's what is... I was like, "You're coming in hot about a mailbox." And I'm

Stuart 5:31

I,

Dwayne 5:31

is not what I expected to have a conversation about."

Jeremy 5:34

Mm-mm.

Dwayne 5:34

uh, did you... So with your Jeremy, you had a, a, a conversation,

Stuart 5:39

Yes. And,

Dwayne 5:40

mailbox?

Stuart 5:41

and mailboxes are expensive, y'all. A good mailbox is expensive

Jeremy 5:46

Well, I would also imagine it depends

Dwayne 5:48

You know, I had to buy the $17 metal ones because I live out in the country, and the

Stuart 5:53

And the snowplow gets him.

Dwayne 5:55

well, the...

Jeremy 5:57

You know, the 17-year-olds with baseball bats

Dwayne 6:00

on ball bats.

Jeremy 6:00

Mm-hmm

Dwayne 6:01

I, I can't make it up.

Stuart 6:01

Hmm.

Dwayne 6:02

times in 20 years,

Stuart 6:03

That's who you need to throw the fucking goose at

Dwayne 6:06

There she go. Oh, I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it, I love it. I do see a lot of mailboxes been taken out, by the way, by the, the snowsh- ours doesn't,

Stuart 6:16

Yeah

Dwayne 6:16

bats, but I do see them. I thought, "Oh, I want another one."

Stuart 6:19

Yeah

Dwayne 6:21

was at a client's house and backed into their, brick firepl- uh, f- um,

Stuart 6:26

Mailbox. Arch? Yeah

Dwayne 6:28

Parts, yeah. And so, and it not only tore his truck up, it tore up the mailbox. So I was like, "Ooh, that was easy. That was an expensive day." I, I... How, how do you have one of those brick mailboxes, and you have one of those little metal things there, and they rust? How do you, how do you fix that? Or, or do you? I, I've always wondered that. You

Stuart 6:47

You don't. Yeah.

Dwayne 6:48

don't. You just pray it doesn't and, or

Stuart 6:50

I mean, if, if the brick is mailed... Mailed. If the brick is sealed correctly, it's just like sealing your house, so water shouldn't get in it

Dwayne 7:00

the, the front little, the, the door that rusts away,

Stuart 7:03

Oh, yeah, I guess, yeah

Dwayne 7:04

about this too much. I, I, I guess I've seen some that look a little rough,

Stuart 7:08

Mm-hmm.

Dwayne 7:09

"I don't know how you're gonna fix that." Anyway, anyway, just curious if you've ever had to deal with it. Apparently not, uh, 'cause I have not luckily.

Stuart 7:14

Uh-oh

Dwayne 7:15

so we've got, we've got an expensive bougie mailbox that we're not gonna tacky up,

Stuart 7:19

just drive in the driveway. There you

Dwayne 7:21

drive in the

Stuart 7:21

go.

Dwayne 7:22

If you want your goose, do it. We as a, a group here probably couldn't support that, and wouldn't support that. Okay. Now on to the

Jeremy 7:32

No,

Stuart 7:33

N-

Jeremy 7:33

no, I'm not gonna say that. If they want one, if they want a goose, if they want a goose, you geese your gander. You do whatever the hell you want if you want one of them stupid things, but whatever.

Stuart 7:41

encourage

Jeremy 7:43

Yeah, no.

Stuart 7:44

your choice.

Jeremy 7:44

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I support your choice.

Dwayne 7:46

it.

Jeremy 7:47

Mm-hmm

Dwayne 7:48

Do, do, do your thing, I don't care.

Jeremy 7:50

Mm-hmm

Dwayne 7:51

For the third or fourth time, let's talk about Stuart's door. How did... Because he built the new h- or remodeled the house, and you put a lot of effort into figuring out what this door was, seemed like, right?

Stuart 8:02

I did.

Dwayne 8:03

tell us, tell,

Stuart 8:03

I did

Dwayne 8:04

what you dug into, and why was that important?

Stuart 8:08

Well, one, just because of what the house is. So, and a little backstory, the house sat abandoned for five years. every window was broken. There wasn't even windows in some of the windows. The other exterior doors didn't exist. And the front door that, the front door that was there was something that I guess somebody put there from, you know, off the clearance rack at Lowe's 'cause they thought they needed to close it, but it didn't even close either. So literally abandoned. Raccoons, deer, snake, mice, everything lived in this house. Homeless people that were going from Clark County to Fayette County stayed in this house 'cause there was poop and pee and food and everything. So

Jeremy 8:52

Which screams, "Buy me, buy me, buy me, buy me."

Dwayne 8:55

it

Stuart 8:55

I know.

Dwayne 8:56

Yeah,

Stuart 8:56

We got a deal. Um,

Dwayne 8:59

yeah.

Stuart 8:59

it scared everybody else. No, so the front door opening is almost 10 feet. Okay? A standard double door, a standard double door is six feet, you know? it's a 10-foot opening. Um, and that's how it was originally built. So we kind of did a deep dive

Dwayne 9:23

you're, you're pr- pr- preservationist-ish at heart. Did you look at that and think, maybe I should close this in a little bit more," or was you always like, "Nope, I'm gonna figure out..." No, you always knew this is original, I'm gonna f- I'm gonna

Stuart 9:37

I'm like, "No, I'm gonna find it. I'm gonna find a picture of this front door." And I did, and I did. 'Cause there was old listing photos from when it sold sometime back in the '90s that our realtor dug and found, there was a picture of the front door that was originally there. So we had that door built again exactly how it was. So,

Dwayne 10:01

for you?

Stuart 10:02

um, 84 Lumber actually. It was a cu-

Dwayne 10:06

no, I've

Stuart 10:06

it was a custom,

Dwayne 10:08

a few places. Yeah. Yeah.

Stuart 10:09

mm-hmm

Dwayne 10:10

think of when you say custom Conkleton, which they do a great job,

Stuart 10:13

And they do. They do. Yeah

Dwayne 10:15

I've used them yeah, and I kind of walked in with my nose up in the air, but that's where the, the contractor wanted to go, and the guy did a great job. So yeah, we're on the

Stuart 10:23

Yeah. We, um, you know, I did alter it a tad because we did close it in a total of three inches on either side,

Dwayne 10:33

Yeah,

Stuart 10:33

which is minimal that nobody would ever know. But to have those extra three inches in this custom door added almost $6,000 because it was out of standard for them.

Dwayne 10:47

Yeah.

Stuart 10:48

we made it the maximum we could. I mean, it was still an expensive door, but I was like, "Oh my God, if I just put a two by four on each side, then I can save $6,000." So that's basically what we did.

Dwayne 11:00

been there and I didn't pick up on it at all. So whatever you did, you covered it up

Stuart 11:03

Yeah. Yeah. So, um, so honestly, it's a single solid door, and then there's two full-height glass panels on either side are about a little over three feet wide, three and a half feet wide. So, um, I think we've had a picture of it before, or maybe that was on our social media for

Jeremy 11:25

Yeah, we saw somebody. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm

Stuart 11:29

So

Dwayne 11:30

Which was stupid when he said that. I was like, "I don't know if I can get behind that." And I know your painter couldn't get behind it, but when

Stuart 11:37

Oh, no

Dwayne 11:38

I went, "Oh, okay. Yeah, it looks good. It makes sense." Look at

Stuart 11:41

Tom

Dwayne 11:41

right for once. There we go.

Stuart 11:44

Thanks. Thanks

Jeremy 11:46

But yeah,

Dwayne 11:46

Yeah.

Jeremy 11:47

well, you know, talking about painting the door the unexpected color. Years and years and years ago, there was a blog that was written that it was talking about, you know, just it was for Kentucky Monthly, and, uh, it was o-one about painting your front door. Like, you know, just slap y- slap a new color on there, put a new fresh coat of paint. And Dwayne, it was something that you had said a long time ago that stuck in my head, like, you know, you start at your front door, right? Like you, that's, that's kind of, that was how this all started.

Dwayne 12:13

It's the

Jeremy 12:13

It, it's the hardest. It was the f- it was the most interacted with blog that they had on their website

Dwayne 12:21

Mm-hmm.

Jeremy 12:22

the, in the history at that time.

Dwayne 12:23

Mm-hmm.

Jeremy 12:24

everybody, I guess, you know, most people do have a front door, you know? I, I, I have one. And, uh, and if, if I remember correctly, your, somebody in your family painted their front door, door turquoise, um, after that. I don't remember the

Dwayne 12:36

Yeah.

Jeremy 12:37

And, um, I think that maybe some people might have made some questionable colors at that point, choices at that point, but they did paint their doors, and they did get, get it, get some, um, excitement from it. But I think painting the front door is good

Stuart 12:50

Yeah.

Dwayne 12:51

I

Stuart 12:51

Okay

Dwayne 12:52

uh, a client and that the house was very, very traditional and, but we painted her front door a pretty strong

Stuart 12:57

Strong yellow.

Dwayne 12:58

and,

Stuart 12:59

uh, I loved it because she said, "I don't want just a black door." And I said,

Dwayne 13:04

"What,

Stuart 13:04

"What, what, what color is your heart?"

Jeremy 13:08

Black.

Dwayne 13:08

to her. Uh,

Stuart 13:09

Oh, did she say sunshine?

Dwayne 13:12

She did.

Stuart 13:13

She did. Mm-hmm

Dwayne 13:14

said it's sunshine. And I was

Stuart 13:16

Mm.

Dwayne 13:16

yellow." Yeah. It really is. That's hokey, and y'all think y'all don't believe it, but, uh, her name was Ruth, and that's what we did. It's Fosse's, uh, real good friend, if

Jeremy 13:24

Mm-hmm.

Dwayne 13:24

you know,

Stuart 13:25

Mm-hmm.

Dwayne 13:26

So but

Stuart 13:27

p-

Dwayne 13:27

fun. It was fun

Stuart 13:28

painted that on a Tuesday at 5:30, the color of her heart.

Jeremy 13:33

Well,

Dwayne 13:33

I hate you.

Jeremy 13:34

okay, so while we're talking about this, uh, the, the colors

Dwayne 13:38

Beach, you hateful cow.

Jeremy 13:42

While we're talking about the, paint colors on the front door, we need- probably should discuss, that, you know, yes, you know, g- paint, you know, f- a front door does not have to... I mean, listen, if you live in one of them neighborhoods and they control what colors that you can put on the front door, I'm sorry about you.

Dwayne 13:55

a different story.

Jeremy 13:56

That's a different story. Uh, but if you can do a color that makes you happy, um, I've h- so many people I've heard talk about they put a color on their door and they're like, "Oh, it's different than what it looked like on the chip," right? Um, and so I wanted to, to point out that maybe there's multiple things that you need to look at. When, when you put paint colors outside, the sun is a bitch. We've already talked about this, right? She don't care. How it affects like paint color. And so you should look, one, at the LRV, the little light reflective value when it... on the paint. Like this will help you a little bit. So,

Dwayne 14:31

explain how it works.

Jeremy 14:33

okay.

Dwayne 14:33

is, but explain how it works

Jeremy 14:34

the, so LRV, so it's another one of the little numbers that they have like on the little paint chips. So the higher the, the number on that paint swatch is the more light that it reflects. So like a white is gonna be up to 100, right? 100's the highest you can go. Whereas a black or a really, really, really dark black is gonna be like closer to one or three, right? Like I think Tricoon Black, I think it's a three, so the higher it is the more it's gonna reflect and it's going to change the color of the whatever it is. So if you, if you have a higher number LRV, you're going to see the undertones of the paint once the sun hits it much stronger. So that's when people put the color on there and they're like, "Well, this is, this looks a lot more pink than it did when it was..." Well,

Stuart 15:18

did

Jeremy 15:18

it, one, it's a lot bigger, bigger swatch you've put up there now if you paint the door.

Stuart 15:22

sun

Jeremy 15:22

then the sun hits it, and so that's why, um, that does that. So, and I th- I read somewhere one time where like they, they said something like if you keep it between like a 60 and a 40, like the L... Like it's gonna be more true to what's on the swatch.

Stuart 15:39

this or something like

Jeremy 15:42

do like a two foot by two foot something and put it out there. You can't, you can't paint that six-inch square.

Stuart 15:48

You know,

Jeremy 15:49

You gotta get it big. You gotta y-

Stuart 15:51

true

Jeremy 15:51

you know, you can't do like what you're trying to do inside the house. You can't do a 12, 12 inch by 12. You got two, two feet by two feet

Stuart 15:57

do a square in the shade and do a square in the sun,

Jeremy 16:00

Mm-hmm

Stuart 16:01

'cause the sun does not stay in the same spot,

Jeremy 16:03

Mm-hmm.

Stuart 16:04

it is not summer all year long.

Jeremy 16:06

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Stuart 16:07

different in the winter

Jeremy 16:08

Let, let that house be a, a coat of many colors for a minute.

Stuart 16:12

Yes, true

Jeremy 16:14

All right, so we've talked about the paint, or we've talked about some suggestions with that. You know, people... How many times have you heard people say, "Well, I wanted to have a navy front door," and they put the navy on there, and then it turns into Kentucky Blue? It, it happens so often. A lot, right? So, it can be intimidating, but that's where you really have to get big swatches and just test it, so.

Dwayne 16:32

Let's talk about windows. I'm gonna go, go back to reference, Stuart's house just because it's on my mindset. So you, what, what kind of stone is your house? Is it Bedford stone, is what that's called or... It's, it's like a

Stuart 16:43

Is it different stones

Dwayne 16:44

Kentucky

Stuart 16:45

that has held her? It's Kentucky limestone. Yeah, it's Kent- uh, yeah

Dwayne 16:46

So he put in, black windows as far as frames, and now that can be...

Stuart 16:51

No, I didn't. Mm-mm.

Dwayne 16:53

Oh, okay. Well, black. Okay, what'd you put in?

Stuart 16:56

are, bronze

Dwayne 16:57

Did, what

Stuart 16:57

Mm-hmm.

Dwayne 16:57

do you think they were, Jeremy?

Jeremy 16:58

Well, what I remember is that little, the wooden, geometric thing that you put over by the, carport that's over there. And I thought that...

Stuart 17:04

three squares?

Jeremy 17:05

the fruit- And is that black?

Stuart 17:06

Yeah.

Jeremy 17:07

Is that black or is, is that the same color? Okay. Well, it's really dark. It's really dark. Yeah. Okay. So I would've, I would've thought I had-

Stuart 17:13

Now, now, and I know in the, in the daylight, today, you will see brown when you go. When it is like dusk and night, it looks black as

Jeremy 17:24

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm

Stuart 17:24

So yeah

Dwayne 17:25

that black, even though it is technically bronze, that doesn't surprise you 'cause it has a, a, a pretty dark tone to

Jeremy 17:32

Mm-hmm.

Dwayne 17:32

right? Is that

Stuart 17:33

It's the darkest bronze they could get. Yeah

Dwayne 17:35

Okay, okay, so the reason I said black, anyway, what you chose is beautiful with your stone. This whole thing about black windows in houses everywhere can be, ugh, right, trendy. But in your situation, even though it's bronze, is not trendy. It works and it's beautiful. It's what it should have been, 'cause if you would have done white or ivory or something like that, it just would not have made the house... The, the darker finish makes sense for your house. So you, for me, I think you got it right, and it's beautiful, and it works, and it's a great... It feels fresh and updated and all that kind of stuff. So I did a house in, Andover Hills, and it's just a beautiful house, but typical brick house. It had white windows in it. We replaced them. And this was probably now five or six, seven years ago. We did black windows, but I only did grids at the top. I didn't do grids at the bottom. We did a black garage door and kind of stuff. But at the time, I was really nervous of putting black windows in, in, the house because I don't ever want to do anything trendy, right? Especially windows. They're a

Jeremy 18:35

Mm-hmm.

Stuart 18:35

Right.

Dwayne 18:36

uh, call. But because the brick had quite a bit of charcoal in it and quite a bit of black in it, white windows for me just didn't make sense, right?

Jeremy 18:47

Mm-hmm.

Dwayne 18:48

bronze windows didn't make sense, so this black made sense. And she literally said to me, she said, "I have the ugliest house on the cul-de-sac. I want to sell this house and I want to get rid of it." We updated

Stuart 19:00

it and she said to me, "I think I have the prettiest house on the block." And it all had to do with the right windows, the right grids. You had to kind of- Mm-hmm put your hand to it. You know, the, the little-- the bottom line, whatever you wanna call them.

Dwayne 19:03

block."

Stuart 19:03

in that particular-- 'cause there was enough

Dwayne 19:04

had to do with the right windows, the right grids. You had to kind of factor that into it, you know, the, the little divider lines, whatever you want to call them. Um, but

Stuart 19:13

black in

Dwayne 19:14

because there was enough black in the

Stuart 19:16

the brick.

Dwayne 19:16

The

Stuart 19:16

The one

Dwayne 19:17

is scaring me to death, and I swear I think

Stuart 19:19

thing

Dwayne 19:20

be a trend, and you, you...

Stuart 19:21

that is scaring me to death, and I swear I think it's gonna be a trend, and you, you-- It's that kind of that whole modern farmhouse-

Dwayne 19:24

all the

Stuart 19:24

with the white siding and the black windows. I-is that the--

Dwayne 19:27

Um, i- is that... Yeah,

Stuart 19:29

yeah. Yeah,

Dwayne 19:30

It's...

Stuart 19:30

yeah

Dwayne 19:32

I, I like the houses, but it's just, it, it's, it's... It was fresh and great five, six, seven years

Stuart 19:37

Very popular six, seven years ago, but now it feels like it's overdone.

Dwayne 19:39

I love, I like the look of the house, I really do, but it feels like it's too much now

Stuart 19:46

And I love, I like the look of houses, I really do. But it feels like it's too much now. Well, it's, it, it's, um, like anything, it's not special like it was six years ago.

Jeremy 19:52

Mm-hmm.

Stuart 19:53

you know, people who were doing them six years ago typically were 5,000 and 6,000 square foot houses that were big a little piece of land, and now it's new subdivisions that their requirement is it has to look like that, you know? And they br- they have become almost cookie cutter

Dwayne 20:15

Mm-hmm.

Stuart 20:16

to me.

Dwayne 20:16

Mm-hmm.

Stuart 20:17

So I think some of their specialness has been away,

Dwayne 20:21

100%,

Stuart 20:22

you know?

Dwayne 20:23

There's still, there's still executions

Stuart 20:25

The, the, yes, they're, yeah, they're still well done

Dwayne 20:29

dumb. It's become dumbed down, hasn't it? That's

Stuart 20:31

Right.

Dwayne 20:32

a little

Stuart 20:32

People, people are gonna be saying, "Well, I don't..." and people are like, "I don't wanna live in a McMansion subdivision." Well, you're gonna live in a McFarmhouse one, because that, that's about what it has

Dwayne 20:42

God

Jeremy 20:44

I hadn't thought about it that way, but you're right

Stuart 20:46

honestly, so again, a way to change it since we're talking about outside, you know, yeah, I have a lake house as well, a small one.

Dwayne 20:57

What?

Stuart 20:57

What? Yes.

Dwayne 20:58

a,

Stuart 20:58

And next

Dwayne 20:59

is paid for?

Stuart 21:01

Shut up.

Dwayne 21:02

you again.

Stuart 21:03

And next door, we have very good friends who have a house next door, and theirs is very large. You know, theirs is almost 6,000 square feet. I mean, it's, you know.

Dwayne 21:13

their

Stuart 21:13

And that's a primary residence. It is their primary residence. It is-- Both of those truly are a modern farmhouse. However, they're not white. They are blue.

Jeremy 21:24

Mm-hmm.

Stuart 21:24

I mean, they are, like, navy blue. I, I think it's Hale Navy from Sherwin-Williams. The entire house with black windows

Dwayne 21:32

Yep

Stuart 21:33

a black and blue roof. So that's how made that modern farmhouse different.

Dwayne 21:40

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm

Stuart 21:42

I mean, that's, it was a bold color choice, but,

Dwayne 21:45

Where they, your house came second, right? Is that correct?

Stuart 21:49

They, y they kind of did it at the same... Like, they dug the foundation on one and dug it on the other, and then... But yes, mine was

Dwayne 21:54

convincing them 'cause you got in through this process to, to

Stuart 21:58

Mm-hmm.

Dwayne 21:58

or do you did

Stuart 22:01

I did not want blue. But they are literally 50 feet away from each other

Jeremy 22:06

Well, what we also have to point out is that you all, that you know the, you're neighbors and you all built at the same time and were, are very good friends. So it's not like you, you picked the same color as them because they were so close. Yeah, so there was a, there was a connection here

Stuart 22:20

Yes. Yeah, 20-year friendship.

Jeremy 22:21

Yeah.

Stuart 22:22

I

Jeremy 22:22

Yeah, so yours is, yours is like the little cottage, and then theirs is

Stuart 22:25

Correct

Jeremy 22:26

the big ass lake house that will eat everything. Yeah. I don't, actually, I don't know it's that large, but it's six, I mean, that's a, that's a hefty house. Yeah, yeah.

Stuart 22:33

Yeah. Yeah. So, um, yes, they have six bedrooms and five and a half bathrooms, and so, yeah

Dwayne 22:40

how, how did you get to the blue? Was it their suggestion and you just had to get them the right

Stuart 22:44

they, they were-- Yes, correct. I actually wanted, I actually wanted to paint the houses black so they disappeared in the trees.

Dwayne 22:53

Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Stuart 22:54

And they both had a coronary, so, dark blue, Hale Navy was, was the compromise.

Dwayne 23:02

compromise?

Stuart 23:02

The compromise. Yeah.

Dwayne 23:03

is on that, d- have you ended up liking and saying, "Oh, okay, that was, that, that's fun," or, "I still rather would've had black, but I, I can live with this color"?

Stuart 23:13

it's fun for where it is 'cause it, you know, it is on the water. It kind of, it's, it's that thing since then, you know, this is what, been again five or six years ago that these have been built so there have been other people building, of course, in that style and every one of them has painted them black. So I'm like, oh, well maybe, yeah, so maybe it's good that we're not the same. So

Dwayne 23:38

Yeah, no, I

Stuart 23:38

yeah.

Dwayne 23:39

a bullet.

Stuart 23:40

Yeah.

Dwayne 23:41

'Cause you can l- it sounds like you, you could be happy with it once it's said and

Stuart 23:44

Oh yeah, it's, I mean, I'm not complaining.

Jeremy 23:46

Well,

Stuart 23:46

completely

Jeremy 23:47

the opposite swing from the white, modern farmhouses is I think the other swing currently are black homes. They are s- so much more popular now than they've

Stuart 23:57

they

Jeremy 23:58

been

Dwayne 23:58

Mm-hmm.

Stuart 23:59

They are

Dwayne 24:00

Every time we would drive past one on Paris Pike, my mom, she's like, "Looks like a witch lives there." And

Stuart 24:06

Oh, that one off to the right? That one off to the right. Yeah, I think that's good-looking. Yeah

Dwayne 24:11

do, they did a great job. Landscaping beautifully

Stuart 24:13

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm

Dwayne 24:14

I like it. I probably wouldn't have it, 'cause I'm not that bold, but I still appreciate it. And I think you can take the ugliest little cottage on 4th Street and turn, paint it charcoal or iron ore,

Jeremy 24:27

Mm-hmm.

Dwayne 24:27

makes it look 1,000%

Stuart 24:29

Yeah, it does

Dwayne 24:30

I find it... It's one of those things I, I guess we all believe in black, and it's, and we see black as a neutral. And, um, and, um, a lot, most designers are not scared of black, right?

Stuart 24:39

No

Dwayne 24:40

black, right? It's not. It's a, it's a

Stuart 24:42

No

Dwayne 24:44

neutral color. It really is a

Stuart 24:46

Yeah.

Dwayne 24:46

me.

Stuart 24:47

Yeah. Okay

Dwayne 24:49

So, you know, let's, let's stay outside for a hot minute. Uh, landscaping lights, right? Such a big deal. And it, look, if you don't have a lot of money, you don't have a lot, uh, go buy some, uh, warm colored, spotlights and just spotlight the house up, uh, behind the shrubs, in front of the shrub, whatever you wanna do. But just highlight the tree in the corner.

Stuart 25:08

You said budget too. Landscape lighting also is something I think you can play with. You don't have 82 lights at one time. Like, if you

Jeremy 25:16

Mm-hmm.

Stuart 25:16

two favorite trees, just like you're saying, bury your little cables and run your little lights to those and hook that up, because that same box, you can hook 12 more lights up to it when you decide, oh, you know what? In two, in two months when you wanna go buy two more lights, you'll be

Jeremy 25:31

Mm-hmm.

Stuart 25:32

would like that lit up over there." You don't have to do anything except hook it back up to that box, know? So

Dwayne 25:38

done. I don't have electricity ran down our driveway, and we've got those pretty oak trees.

Jeremy 25:43

Mm-hmm.

Dwayne 25:43

eventually, w- with, you know, more money, more time, more energy, I hope to. But I, use the, uh, solar powered ones. Now, they, they're not as effective in the winter, right? 'Cause you don't have sunlight. But,

Stuart 25:54

Right

Dwayne 25:54

in the summertime, they light those things up from the Home Depot for $13 or $15 each. Look, it's, for the money, one of the easiest things you can do that makes the biggest impact if

Stuart 26:06

Mm-hmm

Dwayne 26:07

sunlight. Again, I can only address it when you have a lot of sunlight, so it's a different story. But if you're, you don't wanna run lights, you wanna h- highlight a tree, you know, we... I've got some even in the kind of the back part of the yard, uh, and it's just kind of moody lighting even in the back, and it's just a little highlight. So those solar lights can be your friend too in a very inexpensive fix. Uh,

Jeremy 26:26

Yeah, so

Dwayne 26:26

I'd rather have that than nothing.

Stuart 26:27

Things,

Dwayne 26:27

You know,

Stuart 26:28

you know,

Dwayne 26:28

that's

Stuart 26:28

sometimes the, the cheap stuff is--

Dwayne 26:30

just don't

Stuart 26:30

just don't do it at all. I wouldn't say that in this situation. I say

Dwayne 26:31

situation. I say do it

Stuart 26:32

do

Jeremy 26:33

Yeah, I think lighting is such a, um, a moo- a mood maker. Well, thank you. Um, it was really important to me, um, when we started this whole... And you so funny, way back when, I'm trying to think,

Stuart 26:45

trying to

Jeremy 26:45

with, when our friend, Linda moved into her, her little neighborhood over there, and they were doing it all. My husband and I, we would drive over into her, their neighborhood 'cause I wanted to see all the houses that were,

Stuart 26:56

were,

Jeremy 26:56

um, lit up at night, 'cause that's just one of my favorite things. My friend Sherlenia in college, we would go around and she goes, "Let me show you where all the rich white people live. If they got lights on at night, they rich."

Dwayne 27:06

Oh my

Jeremy 27:06

She goes, oh. So we'd drive. She goes, "You know they rich white people." I was like, "All right."

Stuart 27:11

was

Jeremy 27:11

So, um, but we would love to drive around and, look at them. And, uh, one of the reasons why was when we were in, when we would go,

Stuart 27:18

go

Jeremy 27:19

My sister-in-law in Nashville,

Stuart 27:20

in

Jeremy 27:21

so many of the homes there were done so beautifully. They'd have their gas lanterns on the front, but then they would still have more lighting to accent everything. So then we kind of became obsessed with it.

Stuart 27:30

with it.

Jeremy 27:30

And, um, when we

Stuart 27:32

stop there for the guys.

Dwayne 27:33

that's, it's

Stuart 27:34

is layered

Jeremy 27:35

Yeah.

Stuart 27:35

like in your

Jeremy 27:36

Mm-hmm.

Stuart 27:36

overhead lighting, you got lamp lighting, you got the lighting.

Dwayne 27:38

even

Stuart 27:39

outside, layered

Jeremy 27:40

Mm-hmm.

Dwayne 27:41

keep

Stuart 27:41

can make it

Jeremy 27:41

Yeah, so, um, when I started looking at doing the outdoor lighting, at that point they didn't have as many outdoor options that people could just go and do on their own.

Stuart 27:50

Um-

Jeremy 27:50

LED wasn't as far along as it is now. I feel like we called one company, and it was so astronomically expensive. I was, I was like, "There's no way." And then I,

Stuart 27:59

And then I-- We connected with another company here, and they were much more affordable. But

Jeremy 27:59

we were connected with another company here, and they were much more affordable. It was night and day. But what I really liked about them, and what I would suggest to someone if they're thinking about d- trying to do some exterior lighting is, they actually came at night,

Stuart 28:11

at night

Jeremy 28:12

and we were able to move lights around the, the yard

Dwayne 28:16

No,

Jeremy 28:17

how... You, you could test it, and you could see what really needed to be lit, lit up.

Stuart 28:20

would add.

Jeremy 28:21

So

Stuart 28:22

cool.

Jeremy 28:22

yeah. And so what I learned from them was they were like, "You, you have to put one at every corner," so any place where it, like, juts out or at the, like the front where it turns. And then, so our home is, like, a classic, story and a half Cape Cod, so we've got two dormers up on top, and then four windows across the front, and then the door centered in the middle. And so we... Then we also added one up light, between the door and the corner that would go up between the windows. And I didn't think that those were necessary 'cause I thought, originally, right? But then he comes and he sets it up, and I'm like, "Oh,

Stuart 28:56

"Oh,

Jeremy 28:56

this changes the game."

Stuart 28:58

game."

Jeremy 28:59

And then, if you do have dormers, light the dormers because it changes... If you can,

Dwayne 29:06

Mm-hmm.

Jeremy 29:06

the dormers 'cause it, it really does.

Stuart 29:08

cool.

Jeremy 29:08

Um, and then anything that's an architectural element, so, like, our fireplace. Our- On the outside we have a little Chippendale, trellis that we kinda had made.

Stuart 29:16

have

Jeremy 29:16

It goes there. That's up lit. So anything that you wanna, light up so that it's architectural and interesting, it totally changes it.

Stuart 29:22

can

Jeremy 29:23

big tree you can,

Stuart 29:24

But

Jeremy 29:24

sure.

Stuart 29:25

Lord,

Jeremy 29:26

all of the, all of the lights that we have,

Stuart 29:28

all of the lights that we have, uh,

Jeremy 29:29

which I don't... 'Cause now we have the back too.

Stuart 29:31

the

Jeremy 29:32

uses less electricity than one normal old light bulb would've

Stuart 29:35

one

Jeremy 29:36

with the

Dwayne 29:36

Serious.

Stuart 29:37

would've. Yeah. Seriously. Yeah.

Jeremy 29:39

And because Jer- Jeremy's like, "Our electrici-tricity bill's gonna be a million dollars."

Stuart 29:43

You're never even gonna know.

Jeremy 29:44

No,

Stuart 29:45

No.

Jeremy 29:45

I mean, it...

Stuart 29:46

never notice

Jeremy 29:47

With the amount of electricity that's used, pennies.

Dwayne 29:49

about the, uh, gas lanterns, "Mere pennies."

Stuart 29:52

With, you know, and told a client about the, uh- Pennies Near penny. Pennies a day

Dwayne 29:53

day.

Jeremy 29:53

Pennies.

Dwayne 29:54

per day.

Jeremy 29:55

So we have one of my,

Stuart 29:57

it's just pennies.

Jeremy 29:58

one of my favorite things is the outdoor lighting.

Stuart 30:01

anymore.

Jeremy 30:01

No.

Stuart 30:03

Now it's nickels. It's just nickels a day.

Jeremy 30:06

know, one of the things that I kinda wish that we would've done when we did our lighting on the outside, there were options when it came to the bulbs. And he was like, "Now do you want, LED color-changing bulbs?" I was like, "I don't think so." Like, like

Dwayne 30:20

I

Jeremy 30:20

what... And I said, "Well, you know, why?" And he goes, "Well, you can change the color, so if you wanna do Christmas, you can light the house up in red or green or, you know, like, whatever." And I was like, "Um, no, I, I think we're okay with just, like, the pure, pure white." Plus they were, I think at that time, like $75 a bulb. Now it's probably changed since then, 'cause again, it's so much more common and the technology's, much more widely available. But now I kinda wish we did, because when it comes to Halloween, you know, we use color gels and light up the house, and then, I mean, it, it's a lot of fun that we do then. But then you can also, like, you know, do the back- backyard in a fun different color, so. I mean, I'm not gonna... It's not gonna be Fiesta where lit up back there. It's not gonna be Cirque

Dwayne 30:58

Isn't it funny? As you

Jeremy 30:58

du Soleil, but

Dwayne 30:58

you're starting to embrace color. There you go. Cause you used to be so beiged

Jeremy 31:03

Well, I'm s- I'm st- listen, I'm still subbeiged, but the only color that I really, uh, l- like is blue and green, and maybe a little bit of, like, really deep rusty coral

Dwayne 31:13

Mm-hmm.

Jeremy 31:13

But it's still blue and green. It's the color of the ocean. It's the color of the beach. It's me.

Dwayne 31:17

No.

Jeremy 31:18

Boring. It's fine in

Stuart 31:20

I think we just scratched the surface on what to do.

Dwayne 31:22

never

Stuart 31:23

never even got to other layers, but

Dwayne 31:25

gives

Stuart 31:25

gives you at least a starting point to

Dwayne 31:27

think

Stuart 31:27

think about

Dwayne 31:28

how to

Stuart 31:29

how to address your house, right?

Jeremy 31:30

Mm-hmm.

Stuart 31:31

And start dreaming of how to

Dwayne 31:32

dress it up

Stuart 31:33

it up a little bit. We are only talking

Dwayne 31:34

inside,

Stuart 31:35

about the inside, but you know, there's

Dwayne 31:36

outside, um, is

Stuart 31:38

is pretty important. Landscaping.

Dwayne 31:39

S-

Stuart 31:40

Just spend as much money as you can on landscaping.

Dwayne 31:42

Uh, you

Stuart 31:43

you are always gonna get a return. Plant trees.

Dwayne 31:45

You

Stuart 31:46

You know, every time I drive around the, a neighborhood with trees, I never mature.

Dwayne 31:48

trees that are mature. Plant

Stuart 31:50

Plant the tree now for--

Dwayne 31:52

Be the

Stuart 31:52

Be the steward of your house. Plant the tree now

Dwayne 31:54

for the

Stuart 31:55

for the next people, right? There's nothing more important than

Dwayne 31:57

beautiful

Stuart 31:58

tree in your yard.

Jeremy 32:00

Well, I think, there are so many more things that we can talk about this. Maybe we should do a part two next week so we'll have more.

Stuart 32:05

Part deux. A

Jeremy 32:06

Part deux.

Stuart 32:07

let's do it. Do it. 'Cause I

Jeremy 32:07

Well, guys,

Dwayne 32:08

Okay, okay, let's do it, do

Jeremy 32:09

yeah.

Dwayne 32:10

like we barely got started

Jeremy 32:11

Yeah. Well, you know, we get off on our little side tangents, you know? But what I've heard from people is that why they like us. I don't know. This is why we can never get through anything. This is why we were delayed this morning, 'cause he can't remember we were supposed to schedule the podcast this morn- We've done this every Thursday for I don't know how long, and he forget

Stuart 32:26

we should have people send in a challenge goose

Jeremy 32:31

I don't even know what that means

Stuart 32:33

They have to decorate their goose in one of and send in a photo, and we will put it on our social media as well.

Jeremy 32:46

Okay.

Stuart 32:47

Yeah

Jeremy 32:48

All right

Dwayne 32:48

you happy, uh, again, I'm, I'm, I'm more anti-goose than not, so there you

Jeremy 32:53

Well, listen, I think this could be interesting if, okay, so if you,

Stuart 32:56

interesting.

Jeremy 32:57

you have a goose,

Stuart 32:58

have them

Jeremy 32:59

if you have a goose, whatever their name may be, dress, fix it up as one of us, and I'll put... All right,

Dwayne 33:06

How

Jeremy 33:06

the e-mail.

Dwayne 33:07

like one of us? What does that mean

Jeremy 33:08

Well, I don't know.

Stuart 33:09

us.

Jeremy 33:10

know what we look like

Stuart 33:11

media. They know what we look like

Dwayne 33:12

pose our face on top of the goose face? On

Jeremy 33:14

No, I don't know. I,

Stuart 33:16

they

Jeremy 33:17

well, they can, listen, they can do it however they want. And the email will be down in the show notes below. You can send it in and then, uh, we'll see how many we get. I don't know if that's our crowd, but we'll find out

Stuart 33:27

It might not be, but you know,

Jeremy 33:30

You ne- you just don't know.

Stuart 33:32

You don't know.

Dwayne 33:33

Right. I, I, we're, I'm

Stuart 33:35

You don't know.

Dwayne 33:35

this. Uh, we're gonna talk about lawn jockeys next week, if

Jeremy 33:38

Oh, God.

Dwayne 33:39

bad,

Jeremy 33:40

Oh, Jesus.

Dwayne 33:41

Well, that's for next week. We'll talk

Jeremy 33:42

I,

Dwayne 33:42

too

Stuart 33:43

Okay.

Jeremy 33:44

right, guys, thanks for listening this week. We'll be back next week with part two,

Dwayne 33:48

I

Jeremy 33:48

and L-

Dwayne 33:49

feel

Jeremy 33:49

Lord, pray for us, Jesus. We'll see you next week. Bye.

Stuart 33:53

Bye

Dwayne 33:56

Oh,