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S2:E6 What you need to know about wallpaper!

• Jeremy Rice • Season 2 • Episode 6

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Wallpaper is a wonderful options in many situations to add warmth, texture, pattern, and style! But it isn't always the best option!  In this episode The Boys discuss all things wallpaper and what you should know if you're thinking about it!

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stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

So now that I've hit record, we can't talk about bitches.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Oh listen, it's never stopped us before, and editing is a wonderful thing. When I was working on, what I thought we could talk about today, it was laying around and I, was reading. Other people's podcast. I mean, you know, you like to see what's out there, what people talking about. It is interesting. You know, those kind of things. And, the first thing that really surprised me was that we've never talked about, like, had a whole episode about wallpaper and god knows there's enough to talk about wallpaper for days on end. but why this came about was because this, article that I was reading had. 12 things you can add to your home add interest and do it inexpensively. first inexpensively, which, you know, it's

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

With wallpaper,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Well, hold on. See, I didn't know whether that's what it was yet. Well, you'll, you'll

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

uh,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

you find out what it really was. They said Brace yourself boys

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

it's probably shiplap.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

wallpaper border. If you add that as an update to your, now

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Does it have little geese on it with a pink bow that goes around your powder room?

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

like those little Dutch, those little Dutch children with those little wooden shoes.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Uhhuh,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

This is not worthy of a conversation on our podcast. That's all you're getting from me.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

I wish

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

uh.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

your face, Dwayne, because this is probably the most un approving face I've ever seen. Come outta your, outta your it it.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

And

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Well.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

dealt with Stewart for 20 years. Oh.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

So I read that, I thought, why now this person put it out in 2020, so let's be fair. They could have been going

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

In 2020, listen, they were stuck in their living room in COV and they found a roll of border leftover in a house they had just bought and thought, you know what? I'm gonna make my house pretty, I'm gonna put this border on my in my POW powder bath.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

on.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

they had, they had fi, well, I'm not reading the rest of it, but they had finished. Tiger King had nothing else to do Oh, Lord. Okay, so I thought, let's talk about wallpaper because I think that all three of us have. Strong opinions about wallpaper, and wallpaper is like a broad term that covers so many things. Um,

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

have strong opinions about everything.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

I know that's why we, that's why.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

I said, what is it? It's paper that goes on a wall. What do you mean by what you just said?

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Well, no, what I mean is like, there, you know, there there's different kinds. There's grass cloth, there's mica, there's printed, there's woven, there's, I mean, there's so many, there's so many things, right? It's something that goes on a wall that's wallpaper, but there's different kinds of it. Right? So, but before we get into it, I wanted, I share some, um, a couple of facts about it that I, I did not know. I thought it was fascinating. First of all, we know it has been around it. Like I would literally say like forever, right? But when I left it, I had, it has been around, there are records of it.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

or.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Uh, well, it might be about the same time.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Oh,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

it, it dates back to 220 BC Yeah. That's before Jesus

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

wallpaper

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

before Jesus. I just find that fascinating in China, of course, because of course they,

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

of course, because they're first,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

They're, they're first and they, they

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

'cause they're smart and methodical and they think about things,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah. And then it, it, it spread west through the Silk Road. Um, but I thought that was fascinating. And

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

it's'cause those white people stole it because.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

well, you know,

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

It is true.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

sorry.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

The conquistadors. Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

the, um, and then the other two things I found that were really interesting. Do you know that wallpaper is why we have what we have to thank for bubble wrap?

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

No,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

wouldn't have thought those two ever reacts or, or correspond.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

were two designers in like the late fifties that were trying to come up with some kind of interesting, like architectural wallpaper, and they figured out how they could put air into plastic, and it was originally made for wallpaper. And I looked, I had, I, I fact checked this,

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

For like insulation purpose or.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

on the wall.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Well, I know, but why,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

it was a.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

why do they think to infuse air into it? Is this like left Twix and right Twix?

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

don't know. Really. I think it was probably two queens were bored and they were trying to figure out how to make something interesting on the wall, and

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Right.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

I don't, I, I don't know, but that's, that's why we have bubble wrap. Isn't that fascinating?

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

It's fascinat odd,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Odd, right. then, the last thing, the last factoid was that in the 1850s it was very con, well, they called, uh, green wallpaper, murder wallpaper because after that what they found out was that wallpaper that had this really deep green color in it, had a lot of arsenic in it. And so if you were in a room that didn't have a lot of ventilation, people were dying from arsenic poisoning. It took him a while to figure it out.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Were they licking the walls?

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

but it was, I guess it was just like, you know, I guess you touched it. I mean, I

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Oh yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

but I thought this can't be true either. I thought this, this is weird. I've never heard this. And, you know, but it was, it, it is true. And, it was so well known that it then ended up getting picked up and put in. Murder novels, that that would be like how the person who was trying to murder somebody, that's how they did it. They would make the room this, and then they would make people stay in that room for a while and then they would, they'd end up dying. Isn't that fascinating?

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

You had to stay in the room for like 20 years

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

I mean, I, no, I mean, evidently

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

death.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

we know, this is before we had regulations. We're talking 1850s. So,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

Okay.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

you know, so, alright. So

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

about wallpaper, but, um, I love me some wallpaper, and I would put it a lot of places, but when I talk more about wallpaper, I, in my, what comes to my mind more textural wallpaper versus more patterned wallpaper. And so I, I'm interested to hear why, why you would choose wallpaper. Like, w what are your all's reasons for going into it? Why you pick it, why you use it.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

How about, I can say it this way. There's al always, um, a few rooms, uh, always want to use wallpaper in

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

like powder bathrooms are always one of those. Spaces that it's a little jewel box. It's an opportunity to really punch it up because really to buy wallpaper in and have it installed can be pretty darn expensive. Right? And it also is a space that you're not in all the time. A powder bathroom, and you walk in, you get this nice little surprise and you don't get as tired of it. And because you don't look at it every single day, right? You're not in there for like in the family room hours and hours at a time. And so you don't get bored with it as much. And so I always think that's a. It's cause of economics because it doesn't cost you as much'cause it's a smaller room, but you're also not gonna get tired of it. Um, and it's also because you are doing a little jewel box for your, you know, your guests when they come in, it's like, you know, they're not gonna go to necessarily every room, but a lot of times they'll use a powder bathroom and you spend more effort and time and energy and expense. And that is why wallpaper is important to me for, uh, a powder bathroom.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

I'm not used to her.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Well, uh, yes, I agree with that as well.'cause it's, it is a unexpected pop of color without just paint, quite honestly, in, in a room like that. Kind of like, to your point, Jeremy, I think more on a, a larger scale.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

I look for the texture and not the pattern, because I think sometimes if the room is too big or the wall is too big, all the pattern just becomes a big blob anyway,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Chaotic. Mm-hmm.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Right. Whereas in a powder or even a small little study or a laundry room, you can pay attention to what the pattern is,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

if that makes sense.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

absolutely.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

you know, Christina in, uh, the office, she, was wanting to use some wallpaper in her daughters. Rooms. I don't remember which one. I think it was her bedroom. she ordered in. Like 10 samples. Um, and the, there was only one that I would go with. And because the rest of'em were way too patterny. And I think that it's a challenge,'cause they were very large graphic things, is that, you know, before you, if you're gonna think about doing wallpaper, you need to look on Pinterest, you need to look on. anything you can see visually and see how it looks in a room, right? Whether it's that pattern or just like what kind of style you like, because it can go from girl to Woo girl, like, you know, like, this is psychedelic. I need to be on some kind of LSD to be in this room. Or you feel like you're an LSD just by walking in it. But I do love him in powder rooms playing. I agree with you'cause, uh. It's like, uh, I call it short theater, like Right, you're in, you're in, you got the banger out. You know, it's just, it's quick.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah. Cool.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

And, um, I, I always have a go-to for powder bathrooms. Um, is any space truthfully, I can use much wallpaper. I always do some kind of, uh, lab. Latice pattern, you know, some kind of graphic, lattice pattern is what I call

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

maybe kind of an interlock Greek key. It, it's kind of ex, it's architectural, uh, and, but it's not floral, it's not stripe, it's not dames. Some, for some reason I see that as a timeless neutral.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

like uh, wallpapered our powder bathroom probably more than 10 years ago, and it has a. A brown, dirty gold metallic background with a kind of a creamy kinda Greek key locking pattern to it. That's, uh, just pretty bold in a way, you know, because it's a light in the dark, but I have never gotten tired of it. It read's a little more traditional, obviously my house, and a little more formal. But to this day, 10 years later. I've never gotten tired of that paper. And it's that pattern that's so classic where if I think if I would've done a busy floral, uh, for example, which you see often, uh, currently at least I might've gotten tired of that, where I won't get, I won't get tired of that graphic, uh, pattern for

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

And I always go back to, that's a, if I show something to somebody, I'm, I'm always gonna start with it.'cause I feel like it's a timeless, uh, which is said and done.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Well, so quickly that when it comes to wallpaper, there are many different kinds, right? So there's natural, like woven grass cloth. There are. Printed. There are foiled, meaning they're metallic, they have, uh, mica or like big flakes of like glitter and stone into'em. You've got pearls. I mean, there's, there's all kinds of stuff to use. Um, it doesn't mean you need to, but, but there's some applications, right? That it makes much more sense others. But then there's also in the app application of them, there are, uh. Papers you have to put up with paste, which is kind of like the traditional one. And then in recent

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Oh,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

been a lot more of this pill and stick, and I

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

oh,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

that

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

just,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

good option for people who are renting

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

I I, just seems like

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Here's how you put up, peel and stick a wallpaper. You peel off the backing of the wallpaper and you wa'em both in balls and throw'em in the trash.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

Lord. Okay. Well, we know how he feels about it, so, so the full disclosure, have any of you actually physically bought it and used it?

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

No.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Uh, I have one time for someone's laundry room and we have since reaped it twice.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

It was it really, really

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

It was horrible. Yeah. To me it was, it was basically, um, shelf liner that you did in cabinets in 1984

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

yeah. What's that? Oh, is that, is is that

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

liner. It's just called Shelf Liner. Mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

That I remember. Mama would get that. Oh, I'd hate

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

do it every summer. I'd be,

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah. That's basically, I will always have that in my brain.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

Okay. In full disclosure, I have not used it, so I can't, Say no cause to an application, but ultimately Stuart on, on the same page. I haven't used it for a reason because I'm with you. It just, there's something

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

see it in a book,

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

just feels flat and, doesn't have depth to

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

reason we're doing wallpapers add

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

like, well, if I'm gonna put this. Just poorly done something up. I'm, I'm just gonna paint it and move

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Right.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

all my time and

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Maybe if you just did a border.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

yeah, I guess you can do it in a, oh, stop it. Uh, I guess maybe in the back of a bookcase or something where it's layered,

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

No, I still wouldn't do it then either. Mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

you know, I just, I know that I don't, I know that I don't have the focus. I was given many gifts by God, right? Uh,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

Um.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

patience for that is not one of them because, we get the stickers to put on the shipping boxes. We ship out for our online orders. tell you about how many times I try to put a shipping label on and I can't get it on straight, or I can't. I get it. It's wrinkled, and I thought trying to do a wall. See the thing about if you're using. Real wall. If you use wallpaper, if you use wallpaper, paste, the paste gives you a little bit of flexibility to move it. Slide it on the wall, right? The pill and stick is literally just like, just got glue on the back of it. So where you put it, it doesn't, it's not flexible, right? So you

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Right.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

it around the wall. It's just where you stick it, it is stuck. I can't imagine

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

for us.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah. I.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

the question that popped in my mind. You said, uh, Micah, for example. So the question to both of you is what's the most. Interesting wallpaper that you've actually installed that you, once you put it up there, you're like, oh, this is, this is better than I expected, or it's a standout. At least that was a little unusual.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

For clients that we did a powder bathroom, they wanted to do a little bit more interesting, something more with texture. We were having to deal with the vanity that was already in there that was a little more formal than what they were, you know, style wise. But they didn't wanna replace the vanity, so there wasn't a way that we could, uh, tone it down. So I had to find something that had a little bit of glitz to it, and she loved. Sparkle. She loves sparkle. Um, and so the wallpaper that we used was a Candace Olsen paper that had a little bit of a pearled background to it, but it had little clear pearls. Uh, I mean many, many, many, many little pearls, um, attached in like a, in a, I'm gonna call it a DNA pattern, but that's not yet. But it was something like that. And it, it was, it really turned out really pretty. It, it was.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

physically protruded from the

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah, it was glued, like they had the print of the DNA or the swirls that were on it, and then there was some kind of adhesive applied over that. And then, um,

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

that, that pattern was to on tone. And then on top of the DNA, there was some kind of adhesive and there were a little micro, uh. bead things that were on that applied onto it and it did catch the light. It did sparkle. I mean, it was, it, it was very interesting. It was a pain to install because you know, you have to, uh, when you apply it to the wall, you have to press with some force to get it down. And, you know, they used a little like the squeegees or whatever you wanna call it, those little. Things to like make sure it's flat and there's no wrinkles. And doing that, there was a little bit of, uh, of pearl loss, if you will.'cause it just kind of, the pressure kind of

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Right.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

off. Um, but I think it was over sprayed anyway to do that. So it kind of accounted for that. But that was really pretty. And then the other one is, the faux leather wallpaper that I did in my, my kitchen because I also did it, in a client's. Closet in on the ceiling, and it had beautiful trim work that we did on the ceiling and did that on the inside.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

from you a couple of

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah, it's,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

it.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

it's, it was sexy.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

Yes, stole that from you. You know, I always will reference, uh, Stewart's, uh, sachet sand and puppy paws as the most blushy pinky brown tones. And that, and I can never remember it, but his new, uh, former living room that whatever that moody. Blue

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

uh, the good and the yum, right? Uh, but then I always reference your kitchen and actually your bathroom quite often too, that you got the textures right, but that wallpaper in your kitchen, you just do a little bit of it, and that leather in the back of, uh, some of the cabinetry is just perfection. Absolute perfection,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Thank you.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

Yeah, that's an unusual You got one, Mr. Hurt, that stood out that you did

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Well, not necessarily that it's different, but I think it was versatile. You know, there is a type of paper called Lynn Cresta,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

which you know, and it's basically to emulate an old 10 or metal ceiling from. Back in the day, and I, I actually have used that on a ceiling, well, a few ceilings before, because it's paintable as well. You know, it's basically,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

price

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

and it is, and it's kind of, you know, it, it not only has visual texture, but you can actually feel the texture as well. And you can cut it at the bias, you can put it in a diagonal, you can do just a pattern with it. So I just think it's, it's interesting. To use. It's not for everybody. It's not for every space, but it, but it's an interesting concept.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

I had a, a budget, uh, you know, uh, to work with in the laundry room and I did it at the, at the back as a back splash and painted it and, um. Uh, it wasn't my first choice, but it certainly wasn't my last choice. It was better than not having anything. And, um, ended up I was like, okay, I can live with that. I

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

stood out. It was just this little, little entrance going from, uh, the main part of the house. Uh, it was like a little. Little vegetable, is that what you call

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Vestibule. Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

bu going into a master. So, you know, it's like, let's say a four by four little area. And, uh, she loved Monet and she loved texture. So it was a wallpaper that crushed eggshells. And then it was washed with light greens and light pinks and light blues. Uh, and it reminded you after you did all the wash of something that looked like one of the lily fields, it had all those colors and textures of a Monet painting, but it was crushed eggshells,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Like it was literally crushed. Eggshells

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

He was literally crushed eggshells. Yeah. It was from France, it was handmade, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada. Uh, it sounds crazy.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

adding commas.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

it's 30

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah. How do you unroll something like that?

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

I, I, is, you know, passing my memory. This is like 30 years ago when I first started and it was exotic and interesting, but I remembered, uh, thinking this is the craziest thing I've ever found. And it was beautiful and obviously very fragile. Uh, I don't know how it got installed at part of is Long gone, but that was my craziest wallpaper application, uh, product I've ever

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Wow.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Do you, uh, do you all have strong opinions on I not every wallpaper can be done on every wall, right. Um, but I have no problem using something on like a accent wall or feature wall. Sometimes. That's the only way that you can do it, or, I mean, I also have no problem putting out just on the ceiling, uh, cutting it with trim and doing that. Or where do you all fall on exit walls?

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

Generally, no.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah. I would say generally no as well, unless it absolutely called for it, but I would say no.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

I

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

I,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

that you did, um, a, a bedroom a

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Okay.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

ago and I, of course I stole that one from you

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

a di different color application. Uh, I thought that room was successful, uh, with that wallpaper, but it was a very special

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

and that one changed it. But generally I'll end up saying, no, I don't care for it. That was one of them that I went, yeah,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah, and it, the funny thing is, is if I had my druthers as I think my papa would've said, In that bedroom, the pattern that we put on the, the main wall was a beautiful grass cloth, and it had, uh, rivets, uh, on, it may look like it was rivets, but they, they weren't.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

was just beautiful. If I could have done what I wanted, I was afraid the way that, that bedroom had so many cuts and windows and, um, it was gonna be a little challenging to do that wallpaper everywhere. So I would've at least liked to have done like. I could have gotten that grass cloth without the, the stripes on it, and I could have done, or the grid on it. I could have done that on the other walls and I wish that we could have done that. But doing the one wall, I mean, that wall I think was, I think the wallpaper just for that one wall was like, it was under, it was right around$3,000. So, you know, that was, you know, one big wall and it was beautiful. But yeah, couldn't do that. But yeah, no,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

Mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

yeah, I.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

I did the foyer and it was big openings. And this, when I say this, kids, this is not normal, truthfully, uh, but it was, uh, for the paper loan, it was over$8,000 just for

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

And it was the same was it was the same one, right? Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

Same one, but it was in black

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

and she loves it and it made it, but not everybody can write that

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

to write that check. Uh, but, um, beautiful. And there are absolutely wallpapers that are decent price. I mean, I'm not, there's nothing that's super cheap anymore. Uh, but so we're talking about an extreme and I'm, I'm working with our dear friend, Millie right now. And it's an old house in Versal. It's probably a hundred year old house. And, uh, we've got a wallpaper, the, the stairwell, and

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

doing Millie's helping renovate this for an elderly friend who is trying to stay in her home as long as she can before she has a good assisted living. Anyway, long story is, I'm trying to update this house to make her happy, but also trying to do it knowing that we probably only have a few years and then the house will be sold. So I'm doing this, um. Kind of looser pattern. Dames, pineapple, something that's creamy, monochromatic, um, believing that the next family will love it too, but trying to be pay, pay. Um, respect to the history of the house, I. Plus the elderly client. You know, there's lots of people I'm trying to answer to, this one has to be more value priced than not. So this is a brand called York, YORK. Uh, that is a fair price point, you know, so there's lots of price points, low all over all of the map. You know, I tend to love a brand called Tebow. Uh, beautiful patterns, depth, the, the texture's. Interesting. Um, more fun color than not, usually a little more. Vibrant color, but that's a company I, I, I gravitate toward, but, uh, not the cheapest in the world. So I knew going into this, when you hire a designer, uh, you know, uh. You have some of the, the, the tools in your trade and like Seabrook and York are some of the better price point companies out there that are still pretty, that don't look cheap once it's said and done. So that was part of the drive. Sometimes when you're doing wallpaper for somebody, I'm putting in this in the foyer to add personality, but it has to make. Makes potentially a new client happy, plus the current client happy plus me the price point issue plus me the style point issue and it's like I'm tired sometimes Miss Hilly, so.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Well, let's say if, if you've got a space that you're wanting to do, uh, wallpaper in, you do need to make sure that your walls are capable or, or it's gonna work on it. And what I mean by that is, if you have issues in your wall. it's not straight, if there are huge divots, if there, it's not necessarily going to hide it, it's gonna actually amplify it. I

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

a lot of them, if you have a thicker grass cloth, I think you can get away a little bit. It hides some of the flaws. um, there are some, for example, and this has come from a horror story of mine, of where wallpaper installer. God, we were doing the closet and I had found the sexiest. Mm, y'all it was so beautiful. It was this silk string. wallpaper and it just, it, it, it was textural. It had this beautiful, just reflection to it. It was just, um, it was money. That's all I could say. It was just money. And that's what I did with the, uh, the leather wallpaper on the ceiling, by the way. So it was, it was just, mm mm. Anyway, the wallpaper goes to install it, and he calls me and he goes, Jeremy, this is not going to look good. And I said, what do you mean? He goes, this wallpaper is so thin. Needs a level five finish. And I was like, well, what's a level five finish? And he was like, well, it's what you like, it's, it's like perfection. The wall is perfection. It's like gla, like it is smooth. Everything is

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

straight. There are no nail pops, there are no Right? And so if you're gonna do like a lacquered wall for example, that's the same thing that you need. It's gotta be like. You know, glass smooth, right? And he was like, this is going to show every floor in this wall. And I'm like, oh, well there's clothes going on front in front of it, so just go ahead and it all worked out. Um. And it, it wasn't as bad as he was afraid it was gonna be. But I say that in that if you're looking at a thinner wallpaper or something, like, it can be more problematic. So you need to make sure your walls are, it's even worth doing it or applying it'cause it can just be

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Right.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

in in, in the long run.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

had this as a problem and I don't even think I would've paid much attention to

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Well, this is the one and only time.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

it in the book from now on. Yeah,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah, it was, it was the one, and if I can find it, I used to have a sample of it.'cause it was just, it was so good. I mean, it was like, almost like a uh

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

silk panties.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

uh, no,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

Says

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

more so it, it was more like a, if, uh, if Silk and Chail had a baby, but it was in a man's suit. It was

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Well, Lord.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

I mean, when I tell you, because this is why I'm like that client and I got,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

pimping.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

uh, it was so masculine and so, oh God. It was good. I mean, mm. That wallpaper got me tongue twisted. It was so good. Mm God. And ooh, yes, I love that closet. Um, but yeah, so just

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

their closet?

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

mine.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

No.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

No, well, we just wanted to do something interesting. I mean, we, we painted the cabinetry and, and oh, this brings up a good topic of, you know, wallpaper. A different, a different use of it, right? Is that, and I know that we all three will love to put something grass cloth or some kind of textural thing in the back of a bookcase because it just, it gives you another texture, it gives you, it brings warmth, right? And, uh, it helps you make you feel like you don't have to feel it full of all this other stuff. Uh. So that was just another place of just adding, you know, just a little, a little bougie factor. Now, have y'all

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

hung wallpaper yourself?

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yes.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Oh, my husband and I wouldn't make it. It would be a divorce for sure. I could never do it. I've never hung it. I will never hang it. This is something that I will always pay out today.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Well, I'll, yeah, I won't do it again.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

yeah, when you're in your twenties and you don't have any money, you, you, you, you go out and you put yourself on the pole. But now,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Uh,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

write the check.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

paint, I just painted back Then.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

right.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Oof. Yeah. Now. Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

No, I hung my, my grape wallpaper on my soffits in my$56,000 starter home in 19, uh, 96 by myself. Sure. I did.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Well, I will even, so I will always suggest to you as a professional, because there is a learning curve. That is there, that is, is, uh, problematic. And by the way, people, if anybody knows anyone out there that's looking for a job, uh, or something that they can do that will provide them a living and um,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

living.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

a

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

yeah. Be a wallpaper in

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

how to be a wallpaper wallpaper installer because

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

or an upholsterer.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

or an upholster'cause there aren't many. And it's dwindling. What,

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Dwindling down.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

So I will even point to if you've got, like, if you already have wallpaper and you gotta take it down. It is, in my opinion. Now listen, if you're gonna hire, an installer to put it up, just, just have them take it down too.'cause I don't know what I. Jesus juice, they throw on this stuff up on the wall. I don't know what Mr. B puts up there, but y'all know, he puts and the wallpaper just comes right off. And it's like, it takes no time to do a room to get it off, to get, to be able to go back and put more on there. And I mentioned this because when my husband and I bought the current home, um, previous owners had put, uh. This horrible wallpaper in the foyer and, well, actually I won't say that it was probably wonderful at the time'cause they spent lots of money doing things in this house that was good at the time. Um, but there were five layers of wallpaper in this foyer and they didn't take one thing down to put the next one up. so it took us three weeks and two steamers. I just, I put that little steamer on and thank God we had plaster walls because I just let that thing sit you had to soak through it all. I mean, it was, but it took us three weeks to get it all down. It was a nightmare.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Wow.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

whereas now had I known, I just called Bob, I.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

there is the reason. People. I don't want wallpaper. I don't wanna deal with wallpaper. It's not about writing the check. It's not about, they don't think it's pretty, they want don't want to deal with it when they're sick of it. that's what you don't do. Right? And so I, the thing is. I don't have a great comeback to that. And I was like, well, if we're gonna do wallpaper, I don't want it in every

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

want it in every bedroom, and I don't want it in every niche. So I'm, I'm always to ask for wallpaper in very specific zones. And like, I always feel like if the back of the bookcase and in, uh, the powder bathroom, that's not a lot of space. And if you get sick of it, uh, it's not gonna be terrible. As opposed to wallpaper and a two story. Foyer.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

something I'm ever, ever, ever, ever gonna do, uh, just because it is expensive and it's expensive to get down and you'll get tired of it more than not. So, that has been a pushback. People are not as bad as they used to be, probably five to seven years ago. I don't want wallpaper. Everybody was on wallpaper burnout because, um. They were tired of stripping it from 1983, but people forgotten and they kind of moved on, and so it's not such a hard sell anymore. But I'm always cautious and I'm not gonna oversell. There are designers out there that oversell and they'll wallpaper every

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Right.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

and, um, and loud, ugly. Busy

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

like, good god. You know, that's why designers get bad names.'cause people like you doing crap like that, right? Uh, so wallpaper your ceiling, know, it's one wall, one ceiling is one, one wall,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

Wallpaper for your not so much right? And it's usually sparingly and then your most, more likely also not get sick of it so

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

Um, the one I did a lot was there's this beautiful Tebow pattern, but it's soft. Blue and it's a cream background and soft green and little twigs and little branches with a little touch of lavender, sweet little birds. But I had the trim carpenter and it's a very large formal living room, And I had Wayne's Scotty panels. let's say they're four feet, whatever it was, we did the math with the wallpaper installer, um, to make sure it laid out. So you even have to work with the trim carpenter and the wallpaper person to make the numbers work out how many panels you can have. But we trimmed it all out and then wallpapered in between those panels, and it's a big room and it's a lot of wallpaper, but just by having that, let's say. Six inch gap between each one of them, between each panel. Um, it doesn't feel busy. It feels purposeful. And I have to say, that's one of my favorite, favorite rooms. Now, we bought chairs from here at the store. And we spent, you know, a lot of money on this wallpaper and trim work, but yet we're able to put.$700 swivel, powdery blue, uh, chairs in here with a little ottoman that I, uh, didn't spend a lot of money on because I did the background. So it's a

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

And, uh, that wallpaper in the trim elevated those very cost effective chairs'cause she was never gonna use this room. Really, it's just for looks now after it's all said and done. the four chairs in there and the ottoman, she does now find herself going in there and reading the book and being invited to it. So, it's a little different what we thought was gonna happen in a positive way, but that shows you, um, using a lot of wallpaper. But we broke it up with the trim work. I think that changed it a

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

I was happy with that one. I thought that was, was successful in

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Right.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

I love that, like, it it up and you used it in a non-traditional way, right? Like, and truthfully, they did use it that way. Like back in the, you know, French, what they did just do sometimes the inside of the, like the wings coating. Um, so it's not brand, it's not necessarily brand new, but it's a different way to do it, right? So you can kind of stretch it.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

idea in my head. I'm

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Well, that's not.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

from everybody. Right. So, no, it's, no, it's the truth. I just saw it and thought that was pretty, and you are seeing it more often now where you really didn't see it. I feel like a few years

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah. Well, I.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

it is showing up and I love the effect of that.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

I think that was just a good way to point out that it was a, it was a good, I mean, there was effort in having to do the, the wood paneling and all that, and a cost involved in this, but if you have someone who's handy that can do some trim work for you, that you can do it, that's a good cost efficient way to, you know, lengthen. How much of the, how much you can get out of a roll. A wallpaper. I also think there's some other,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

like that as an accent wall on a back of a, of,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

of a bed

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Right.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

combine trim work with wallpaper and paneling, I see that it's different. It breaks it all

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

It's architectural. Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

it it's architectural and I think that's completely different for me. Completely different.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Um, one of the houses that we're in, and I don't know if you'll remember this, Dwayne, this was a long time ago, but we were on, out in a, uh, we were doing an event at her house and they had this, I think they called it the sunroom library. I think it's what they call that, I don't remember, but it had a beautiful grass cloth that had been done in it. And then what they did. went around every wall inside the trim on top of the baseboard. But they took like a, it was, uh, probably like an inch wide webbing. I don't know if you remember they did this, but they, they lined it and then they had the nail.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

that had, yeah, she had the, the Louis Vuitton, um, trunk as her

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

yeah. Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

honey.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

but it was the

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

trim with that webbing detail. And of course, now this was, you know, this was a high dollar situation as far as like they approached it, but I just remember that little detail was just like. Hmm. And I thought, I'm never gonna forget this, that there are things that you can do to even a basic wallpaper or basic, you know, any kinda application. There's little details you can do there, and I love that idea. And then another one that I've seen people do now, this is, this is really where you have to have somebody who knows what they're doing. So this is when you hire a, an installer, for sure. They took grass cloth and, you know, grass cloth has the, the, the, uh, left to right horizontal. Reads, or whatever you wanna call it, the weave in it, right? So you actually see, uh, see the lines. What they did instead was they made their own pattern on the wall and they took the wallpaper and by cutting it at 45 degree angles, they then did like a hounds tooth, a large scale hounds tooth like stripe down the wall. And it was the whole, the whole wall. So it was like this huge, listen, it was beautiful. I

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Hmm,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

imagine how much it cost there. So all I'm trying to say is there's some things that you can do with how you, you apply it that could add some interest, but that is not something you need to try.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

idea what you're,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

If, if I can go

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Lord. There'd be a lot of waste.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yes. And that's the thing. This is, this is

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

A lot of waste.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

money thing.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah. No,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

trying to like, you know, just do something interest. But I guess my bigger point of this is there are some other things that you can do to just, instead of just feeling like you put that up on the wall, right, you can kind of,

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

right.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

do it in some interesting little ways.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

Well, our friends at Perspectives, um, have uh, a couple color variations of grass cloth that's in stock. And actually we have, one of the light color ones in the store and I love it. I use it so, so many times. If you wanna grass cloth and you want to do economically, and you like one of those. You run to perspectives and buy it.'cause that is a truly great value. It's all said and done. Um, so that's kind of your little inside track that, um, that, that's one of those I've used multiple times and looks good for the money. Really good for the money

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah. Um,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

paint store and more

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Oh

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

you drive.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

oh my

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Lord have mercy.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

ask

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

one of the points I also did wanna bring in, it goes right along with this twa, is that, um, you can get wallpaper. a lot of different places, right? You can order it from an online retailer, you can, I'm, I think they sell it at like Sherwin Williams, like the paint stores. But where

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

encourage people to go is to a business, to a store, that this is one of the only or main things that they do, and there's multiple reasons for this, right? One. You're gonna actually work with people who actually know the product. They're gonna have an experience with it. Um, and so they're gonna be able to guide you a little bit. A lot of them are going to have some, like, like what you were mentioned, that grass cloth. They're gonna have some stuff that's in stock. Now. Listen, some of this stuff, there's other things that they have over there that to me, probably were, was ordered in 1985. It needs to be thrown out that, that, right?

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Right. Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

there are people. Right. They still have board.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

have

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

They're, they may have someone who, uh, that that's where they wanna do. And if that's where they are in life and they want to go to glory and have that little, uh, border up there on their wall and go right ahead, just don't hire me. Right. Just don't hire us.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

no,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

But, but.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

Mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

If they where you can, if they do have some of the wallpaper in stock, sometimes you can save a large amount of money. The other thing that I think that's really useful and, and our friend Carolyn over there has done this for me time and time again, is that you will see that there are books from, like I mentioned, Candace Olson. I love Candace Olson. She has a lot of, um, I loved her back in the day. A lot of her license stuff now is a little too formal, a little too flashy for me. Um. But other designers will pull patterns and then they're gonna put it in their branded book, and then they're gonna get a commission off selling it. Okay, so this is what happens. Same thing, what happens with fabric listeners. This is a fake designer. Mary Catherine goes and she finds all these f fabrics from Cravit, or she finds all these fabrics from, whatever mill they wanna pull it from. Then they make their own little book, and then they can put it in stores around the country, and then they sell it. And so they make a little bit of a percentage off selling. The, the fabric, what happens to that is the cost continues to go up, right? So you're gonna be able to find the same, um, sometimes the originator, the actual meal that's actually making it, you'll be able to find it in there. Books for a fraction of the price. So I've literally had a pattern that I ordered in and I can't remember who it was for where we were doing it, but I remember showing it and I was like, I'm looking at this. And it was in a designer's book and one of the girls said, oh, I think that's in, over in this. And we went and looked and was there and it literally went from, a hundred dollars for a single roll down to$33.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Wow.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

yeah. So, and I'm not saying that all of them are that way, but when you go to a place who deals with that, looks at these pages,'cause listen, they're gonna have down days. They're gonna have slow days, right.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Right.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

are gonna go through these wallpaper books'cause they get bored. They like to see the new stuff. Right. And they'll recognize it. And so that's one of the other values that you can get from going to a place who actually really, does wallpaper, knows it, there's a huge amount, amount of knowledge there that they can help guide you that way. Mm-hmm. I think

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

Local

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

shop local

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Sha local.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Uh, a couple of other things that,'cause I made a couple of notes. I wanna say not all grass cloths. And this has to do with all wallpaper, right? Not every wallpaper is created equal, right? So some grass cloths. some of them are, if, if you, you'll hear us talk about grass cloth a lot'cause we love the texture. Grass cloths are completely different from style to style. So sometimes they do a smaller, grass fiber, then when they do that, they bleach it and then they can get a much more consistent color. In the wall. Others, they may not bleach it as much. And so you have a little bit more variation in the color. So if you're someone who you think you might like that, but you don't want there to be horizontal lines, you don't wanna see where the papers join together, there's a large section of grass cloth that you don't even need to look at.'cause it's gonna make you feel like it's too busy.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

I was gonna say don't, don't even look at it. Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

I don't even think I, yeah, I, they're even, even the ones that I've found that are

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Well,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

consistent, they still show.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

well, but to me, that's what makes grass cloth beautiful, is the imperfection of every single stripe

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

because it's, it's grass. You're putting it on your wall, I mean. Your yard isn't perfect.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Well, mine is, I

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Well,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

it.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

but I mean, that's what gives it the whole texture and look that we've been talking about, so.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

um, frustrating in that we all know it's a classic and it looks great, but up probably half the people I get, uh, I don't like.'cause I see the

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Mm-hmm.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

it's too busy. And it's like, well for us, we go, well that's part of its personality, but I'm not gonna sit there and argue with you'cause I want you to like it. But I'm like, you're wrong. You're so

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

But

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Well, I would just pivot and say, then what? What paint are we gonna look at?

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah, I,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

Well.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

I mean, you know.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

honestly,

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

that's what happens.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

um, because, uh, we've, we've landed on this wallpaper, um, and not trim work, right?'cause usually I wanna do trim work more than wallpaper.'cause I think it's more classic and, and it's, but it's also more missing than wallpaper. Uh, so that then it says we're painting and just moving on. And I'm like, well, that was a missed opportunity. And uh, it does happen because I can't, I can't convince somebody that they, um, or shouldn't try to, that they want this wallpaper even. I know. It is

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Right.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

I just, okay. Let it go. Move on.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Okay.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah, it's, it doesn't work for everybody.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

it should though,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Well, it can get.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

just it, just because you look, go out there and buy your border, border wallpaper and hush. Right.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

I have two more, uh, little things. There's one, if you're going, if you're thinking about doing it, order in a sample, most of these companies now can send you a cut sample from it so you can actually see it do not go to the wallpaper books and then tear a piece outta their book and their thing. Please don't do that. Um, but order you a sample, put it up so you can actually sing. Free. So,

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

will ship it to your house free.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

My last tip,'cause this has happened to me more times than I care to admit, is when you order, if you're gonna do something, especially if it's a natural fiber, okay? If you're gonna do it, like we did a, a beautiful dining room for a client. been done literally a year, and then there was a water leak and

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

wall got destroyed. And of course we had to replace it, right? Fortunately. Well, I think at the time I made a mistake and I ordered too many rolls. But moving forward I had that to go back to so we could apply it. So it's the same thing because what happens is all of this, whether it's natural, whether it's printed, whatever, there are all dialogues and not all the dialogues match. Exactly. So instead of me having to completely redo the dining room with, she just wanted to put the same thing back. We were able to use my leftover. So I will always suggest to a client, let's buy an extra double roll. Always get it because you

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Just for repairs or whatever. Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Always do it because if you don't, you're gonna try to repair a little part and it's just gonna be a nightmare. So I always, that was a, that was a happy mistake the first time. Like, oh, I'm sorry, you've an extra double roll. Fortunately it wasn't a super expensive when it worked out, but I, it has happened to more clients than, than you would

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

we had

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

So I always have extra now. Yeah.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Okay.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

we've learned some stuff.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

I, I think so. I think that everybody has learned that you should take pictures of your border and bring it in and show it to Dwayne.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

Mm-hmm.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Um, and, um, if you have some problems with your man staying in the bathroom a little too long, do some fun toilet paper to run'em outta there. So, or not a toilet paper.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Friend toilet paper.

dwayne_1_04-01-2025_134954:

grass. I had some, I had a designer I cleaned up on it and she put real grass cloth in a, a powder bathroom, and the client said, well, why's that bad? And it's like, does your husband always hit the toilet? No. And I said, well, he just urinated on grass on your wall. So here we go,

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Well, you know, if you do that, just tell your husband he is got a piece sitting down now. So

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Yeah.

jeremy-guest458_1_04-01-2025_135000:

join the crowd. as always, thank you all for listening. We will have another new fun episode out next week. If you have not downloaded our mobile shopping app, HouseFloral, please do to join us in the fun life sales that we're having. We had a. A new one that we did last week that was a new style that was a lot of fun where we did some styling on bookshelves and I think it went over wonderfully. And we're gonna continue that. Um, trying to move forward and, um, if not, check, connect with us on Instagram, Facebook, all those fun places. And until then, we will see you then. Thanks, Kate. Bye.

stuart-host497_1_04-01-2025_135000:

Bye.

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