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S1:E24 Discussions on Flooring

• Jeremy Rice • Season 1 • Episode 24

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This episode starts discussing a celebration we had at our store celebrating a teammate who is just a huge part of our heart who is always a cheerleader for others, and why it's important for us to do that .And that's just the first three minutes or so! lol  We then get into discusing why and how we approach tile and flooring, including in our own homes and where we think you can never go wrong and where it's a mistake!

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stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Mercy I came back here and asked Jeremy, I said, is Toi retiring? What the fuck? Lunch? Breakfast? There's a toaster for bagels? I brought donuts?

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

made three casseroles, all of which I've tasted and they're all bland.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Well, I'm bringing biscuits and gravy.

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

We are going to eat good today. Well, mine is, uh, meat and potatoes and then kitchen sink and veggie. So you got a little of everything.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Wow. Wow.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

breakfast smorgasbord for the ages.

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Well. What's happening it's pretty kind. It's pretty sweet, right? Because. Uh, I assume Joe's

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

for this because

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

right. I, get no credit and I have to say Joe spearheaded. I believe so. It's um, about picking up people and showing that we care. Right? And it is, uh,

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Well, I will take credit in that, but I don't have

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Yeah, you do. You should take credit, for it. Well, you know, we had our previous life,

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

mm

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

back to this, that we are like, dysfunctional, very dysfunctional, but we are a family, right? And our previous life, I wrote in a newsletter thanking all those who had helped in other departments, when they didn't have to help, you know, they're shoving a 12 foot Christmas tree into a Camry, but they didn't work in the department. So therefore they got no credit for it. They just did it to be nice, to be helpful. And I wrote in a newsletter, I wanted to thank you for being, uh, a wonderful family to work with. And I was pulled into leadership's office, uh, and said, I take issue with what you wrote. We are not a family. We're, we're, we're a team. what, what's the difference? I mean, I don't know what, why am I here? Right? I didn't say that, but that's basically why I'm here. And he said, uh, well, with the family, you have to accept everything, the good and the bad. and all the things that come with it. We don't have To do that here. We accept you as a team and a team is dismissible if you don't get things right, we're a team here, Not a family.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

I probably

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

And, uh,

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

that painful

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

can you imagine how deflating That was?

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

right? Yeah.

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Because really I'm working with people that I like, but those who are controlling the direction of this company devalues any of us and says, you know, I don't really care that much about you. Truthfully, you're just a means to get to the ends. And it's like, I've always had this rule of thumb. It's like, if I don't want to have dinner with you. Right. I probably don't want you in my life. And I was like, at that minute, I was like, yeah, I don't want to eat with you. No breaking bread with you. And so this morning reminded me of that, that painful conversation 15 years ago. Right. And we learned from that. I think, I think we all listened and said, we want to be surrounded by people who love us, get us. That's why you'll see a lot of the people that work out front are our customers because they get us and they're our biggest champions and we are a little family And so this little brunch is as as odd as it seems sometimes. It's like, you know what this is this is about family Right. This is our uh, this is our communion together preach it

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Listen, I'll be, I'll

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Hey, we can eat

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

praying and amen and on right as I shoved that biscuit engraved in my mouth, believe me,

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Okay. What are we talking about today? Cause I got to go pick out some granite as soon as we're done.

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Well, really, you know, um, we're talking about flooring and, we did the, uh, I did the tour of Highland Hall, AKA your mansion, last week, right. And it's beautiful. You did such a beautiful job. And what struck me. Was, your bathroom and the tile work and how, how the showers done and the choice that you made. And I've always thought, you have a braver aesthetic than I will ever have. And can do you have a, a much more comfortability in particular, mixing tiles together and combinations and niches and all those kinds of stuff. And really it started me thinking how well. Done that bathroom was, uh, and I'll pivot to, I always choose more whites and grays and neutrals because I'm always worried about it, uh, being trendy. Right? Because that is not a cheap thing to fix. Um, but you didn't necessarily choose the most conservative of tiles and color combinations, but yet it felt very. Timeless to me, you. know, and I thought, oh yeah, yeah. I was like, you know, I could be inspired by that.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

I think he nailed it on the head like with the coloration of like also the style of home because like that style of home that era of home, there is like, even though the color is updated. I feel like there's a timeless, like in that home, that's going to read timeless. Whereas if you put it in a modern kit, in a modern bathroom, I think it's going to read it a little

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

So let's, let's do this. Stewart, give the audience a visual as much as possible. We'll have

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Yeah, I can

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

but give them a visual, of what you did, what the materials are and what they're made of. Cause I don't know, I think they're marble, but I don't even know what they're made of. Tell us those combinations.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

are the, the entire floor because part of it was, you know, part of this whole thing of doing this was having a first floor primary, because again, in the 1800s, that just didn't exist, but we're aging and I ain't going upstairs.

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

you're closing to 1800, so there you go.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

I know, I'm still carrying those candles around the house. so, what drove me for picking out the tile for the floor, one was the color, because that color just resonates with me. Um,

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Which is?

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

uh, it's, it's, it's green, but it's also cream, it's kind of like a jade green, I guess is a good word,

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

There you go.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

a mossy

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

is good.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

And it's, um, All combined. But the, the tile itself is actually in a, Oh, what's that cut called? Um,

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

It's almost like a dragon scale.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

a scale. Yes, yes. With more of a, with more of a picket point. So,

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Pay your point.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

um, and, and doing that in the bathroom, I wanted something on the floor, a, that was going to show the color and the pattern B that I could have a. Seamless entry into the shower. So whenever you do that, you kind of have to do a mosaic or something that basically you can slope into a drain, whereas, you know, large tiles, even a 12 by 12 or, or that's a pretty standard size or 12 by 24. You can't really slope that into a drain. So I needed to find something that was going to, you know, Be big enough, but make a statement and have the color I wanted but not Be too much in your face and still get that

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

to get them to understand what he means by slope is, his, his shower, his floor in this bath and the shower, floor is the same and it's herbless. And the cause of that because of that, those two parameters, it needed to, it needed to fit within that basically has to be smaller also in scale, right, Because you get too big, all those kinds of things, it doesn't work. Plus if it gets too big, you'll slip and fall and kill yourself once it's said and

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

You know, and you just

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

if you don't

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

bend a piece of tile, you know?

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

There you go. yeah.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

And for those listening, if you don't, if curbless doesn't make sense to you, it's basically, you could roll a wheelchair in there. Not that that was the purpose, but like it there's it's flat. It's it's completely flat. Like there's no,

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

There's no obstruction walking into the shower

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

correct. Yeah.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

in our particular shower does not have a door

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Let's see if there's what you can shuffle into your

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

You can, you can just shimmy right on in there. So, um, so that's what we did. And then I did a larger tile on the wall that has a little bit of green. undertone, but it is also a marble tile. Um, it's like a clouded marble, but has kind of a green misted background in

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Is it, is that real marble? Or is that porcelain on the wall?

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

marble.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

What's

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Yeah. Yeah. Um, and the floor is also marble as well.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

You can tell, I mean, I can't remember the shower walls, um, as

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

good because I wanted that to disappear. I didn't want you to see that, you know, because also in this bathroom, the entire back wall of the bathroom, which goes into the shower is all glass. So. The way I laid the tile was pointing out the glass. So when you walk into the door of the bathroom, you look straight into the backyard, which has water and greenery and trees and grass. So

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

So what you need to know folks is if you have binoculars. And you live to the left facing his house. You can see Free Willy anytime you want, he takes a shower.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Oh, you don't need binoculars.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

you can see it on the right side too with the outdoor shower.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

well, that's true. No binoculars needed though. It's fine. So yeah. And then, you know, I don't know, we're going to focus on tile, but then that goes over to the vanity because you'll see a picture of it that I didn't. I think that's where the modern take comes in that bathroom because it's a true floating vanity. There's no cabinetry at all. It's a, it's a large, um, trough sink with two faucets in it and the, The quartzite is literally cut at a mitered edge and it's just floating and we

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Yeah,

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

It's a peaceful heart.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

that was. That's what I want to know. Yeah, it's and when people see the pictures It doesn't do it justice because you showed I remember you showed me pictures like when they were getting finished up and wrapped up but the way it looks in person Yeah, very good

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Yeah, so and that's the thing. It's not a huge bathroom by any means. I mean, it's

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

When you say

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

it's long

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

in some bathrooms, it's pretty

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

for for a for a primary bathroom. It's long, but it's really only The main part that you walk through is only seven feet wide and then

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Yeah, but it's galley

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

is galley. It's it's galley Yes

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

So, I mean, somebody having a galley kitchen that's seven feet wide, they're gonna feel like they live in the, in the Taj Mahal.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

true. So, yeah, um, that's what I did. And

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

back to, I want to kind of revert back to, we talked about the style and the color, but tell us about the size of the tile, because that's one of the things I keep getting worried about in bathrooms is these tiles keep getting bigger and bigger and you're doing, I'm, you're 24 by 24s and 18 by 36s and they're beautiful and dramatic. Well, first, if you don't have a huge bathroom, it doesn't look good. It doesn't make any sense, but you're seeing all these huge tiles, but I look at that and I just see a great big giant skating board of how dangerous those things are.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Some budgets require that you have to do large porcelain tile on the floor and that's fine. It's totally fine because there are still a lot of good looking ones out there, but. Think about how are you going to put them in a pattern? Don't just smack them on the floor and make this big expanse of 12 by 24 tiles. You can put a 12 by 24 tile in a herringbone pattern. You can put it in a staggered run. You can put it in a half run. So you can do those type of things with a large tile and it creates a completely different visual interest. So,

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

well, this just happened, Stuart, that, um, that a customer, and I shared it with Jeremy, I thought, am I, am I, leaning in on my wrong instinct. And it was this huge basement and the, they had laid the tile out and the, the basement is more galley like it's, you know, less wide and more long and they had laying the tiles the length ways. And it was just exaggerating. It was like, gosh, no, I looked at it and I went. I would have done the opposite. I've run the long tiles side by side and I thought, well, man, am I looking at this wrong? Because the tile, the contractor's there saying, I think it looks better this way. And the client says, well, I think it looks better this way, but thankfully they asked me and I looked at it and go, yeah, that's the opposite of what I thought. So Jeremy was here and I said, What way would you run this tile? And he said, well, not that way. I run it side to side. And they did, they listened thankfully, cause you know, I wasn't there, but it's funny, it's like, I guess I instincts. It's like, if you've got a long skinny room, don't run the boards, don't run the tiles lengthways, you run it side to side. I don't, what's, what's

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

or put a

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

rule to that? Or what's that called? Diagonal.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

If there is a longer side on a tile, whichever direction you put that, it's going to lengthen that way. So if you lay it in the same direction as the room, it's gonna make that galley feel longer and make it feel less wide. Whereas if you do it on the diagonal, it'll help widen it. Or if you

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

And that's not always wrong, by the way. I want to say that's not always wrong. No, No. that's just not. No, uh, but generally, generally you do the

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

so I always go back to, and this is something from college so many years ago in design school that we had one person come and give like this lecture in a, in a studio one time. And he related it to hotels. So, you know, we stay in a lot of hotels. So, and just think of how many patterns. Art in a typical hallway with just carpet. And then there's a different wallpaper and then there's light fixture. And then you get in your room and then the flooring changes again. And then there's two or three different tiles in your bathroom and the countertops different, but it all works. And he coined that. I don't know if he coined it, but I remember it from him that it's called visual noise, that it doesn't say anything, but it makes your eye. Look all over the space and enjoy different parts of it while you're there. And I always think of that when I'm picking out tile, it's like, Oh, how much visual noise do I want in here? And that, and that relates to the client, you know, because it, again, it doesn't say anything, but your perception is telling you everything in your brain of how you feel in there. And I think that's just a good, um, rule of thumb and it's okay to mix pattern and you can

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Mm-Hmm.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

I mean, I wouldn't want a. A white porcelain tile with a texture and a white subway shower and a white sink and a marble countertop To me that's boring to other people. That's their dream, you know

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

That's probably closer to my

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Right, and there's nothing absolutely nothing wrong with it But you're gonna layer you're gonna layer different stuff on it to make it look different whereas in mine, although You know the color and you see the color I have one piece of art. I have one bench And that's

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Yeah, you got a couple more plans.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Well, over, over in the shower, there are plants hanging in the shower. Yes, that is true.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

This

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Um, so yeah, like I'm working on a house now. Um, and the tile we picked out for their primary bath. They were actually at a hotel in Pennsylvania and sent me pictures like, we love this floor. Well, that's it. We're actually able to get ahold of the designer who did that hotel. And she's like, Oh God, honey, I did that like nine years ago. I don't think that exists anymore, but it looked so current, but she literally did it nine years ago. So I found something very, very comparable and we are laying 30 inch by 42 inch slabs of marble on this whole floor. And they're three quarter inch thick. They're big.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Oooh lord.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

big. But they wanted a slab. Floor. And that's the closest thing I could find without basically buying sheets of marble and gluing it to the floor, you know, but you don't want that. You got to have some grout line. Otherwise you'd fall and bust your ass. So

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Let's talk about grout Line. I hate

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

I hate it too. And it's funny. Cause I told them, I said, give, give me an eighth of an inch grout line. When you lay this stuff, which, you know, it's basically a toothpick. I don't want to see all

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

You hear that kids? That's the right answer.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

is for all

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

grout line you want?

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

toothpick.

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

grout lines. Eighth of an inch. Just do it. Just do

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

me the smallest we can do that's secure and we'll do and you know, I think that that's a, uh, that's changed obviously over time because I remember, you know, I used to, I don't remember if it was in the 80s or what it was, but you know, they loved them some big old grout Lines like, you know, they wanted to

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

you stick your thumb in

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

I don't want to see it. I want it to

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Why? I don't want to see that. I want to see the tile.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

want it to go

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Well, and I'll relate, relate back to that grout line in some grout lines are predetermined, like in a sheet mosaic, that grout line is predetermined because they are, it's a sheet of tile. It's already adhered and it's there. And the spacing is done for you. So you've got to pick out the right. Of grout, because that will completely change that tile completely. And I'll try to do a closeup in, in my bathroom. When I send you pictures, you probably didn't notice the grout. You notice the tile because the grout, the grout

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

No clue what it is

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

it's green. My grout is

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

No. Yeah.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

It's moss green

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

hmm.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

I didn't want you to see the grout. I want you to see the tile.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Mm hmm.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

And if we were to put white on there or even black, it would be a completely different bathroom. Completely.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

that's one thing I think that people don't um so a lot of people get caught up on these like Scandinavian kitchens or these European kitchens where they've got like the white subway tile and then they'll put in black gray out or gray gray out or you know whatever and they may stack it and I think it looks really good well there's a couple things you can take into consideration with this what you'll see then is not the tile you'll then see the black lines you And you are at your tile installer's mercy. Of how good or horrific it's going to look because if they don't have it perfect You're going to see every mistake you're just going to accentuate everything that's wrong with it And so i've i've had people always say oh, I love the look of them Well, I like the look of it. I don't want it because it drove me crazy. I'd hate it So even in our guest bath upstairs. We did green tile that we did it in a herringbone pattern. and we did, black grout because it was dark enough to where it blends in with it. And Jeremy did, my husband didn't, um, fight me on it. He questioned me on it. He was like, why don't we do white? And I'm like, well, because. It's so different from the green, it's going to be so busy. And we just want this tile to be like the texture. We just want it to be the grass cloth on the wall. Right. And once it got up and he put it, he said, Oh yeah, you're right. I'm like, I was right. Hush. 10

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

You know, something that, um, you said, Stuart, that made me think of Jeremy then was that bathroom that you're working on for the client and you saw the other designer and it was the inspiration and how classic and timeless it is. Uh, still is many, many years later. I always reference Jeremy's personal bathroom in his home. And I've, I've told you that Jeremy, and I think that your bathroom that you did now six years ago, eight years ago, how long ago was,

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

years ago.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Yeah.

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

years ago, is literally as timeless Today is what it was then and the inspiration I have used your bathroom as a reference To say see the these mixes and scales and colors and all this kind of stuff Um, so, you know, it's it's the boys bathroom day. This is not what I thought we were going to talk about, but that's okay Uh, tell us and again, you'll he'll share the images of it. Tell us Your if you can remember 10 years ago, tell us your dream when you're doing that bathroom. What was your goal?

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Well, I've always, uh, I love slate. Okay. I like slate floors, but it's not the slate that, um, you know, my mom and dad's house group, there was not a lot of, uh, dirt. It was on a slate heel. Okay. And so there was a lot of like that. Orange and rust and green. So it's like that. It's either like the Pigeon Forge Tennessee slate, which I don't care for, right? It's got all those earthy colors in it or like black, black gray. Like that's really well up. And I've always loved that and I knew that we were going to use that somewhere in the house and I ended up finding some that was, um, Clearanced from Lowe's and I bought the whole palette. They had a palette and I said, I'll just buy it all. And so that's what we've used for the flooring for every tile. Uh floor in the house, but um, but I knew that I loved that with the warmth of wood and I just like white and gray You know, i'm very neutral right

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Mm-Hmm. Mm-Hmm.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

boring, but I love white and gray marble Um, and then I also love antique brass mixed with that So I just like the warmth of that with the wood with that with it. So I just feel like that

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

So wait a minute. You can mix gray and white marble with gold.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Uh, yeah,

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Well it

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

People, yeah. People.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

And so, you know, back when we did, uh, this, this bathroom, we, um, I just, I knew I wanted to feel kind of timeless, but also be warm, but also be neutral, but it'd be soft. And there's only one window in the bathroom and it has wooden shutters in it that were original that are still in there. And so there's not a lot of, a lot of outdoor life that comes in. So I know I wanted to keep it kind of light and eerie, but have it be updated traditional. The, the, the challenge of the day, oh Lord, I'll never forget this. We're talking about doing it. And Jeremy says to me, I want a vanity that has a farmhouse sink in it. And I said, for the bathroom. And And I went, Oh, I don't know if they make that. Well, then that's when the search started and I did find one and I do love it. And I like it a lot. Um, but, uh, what I ran into while, and that had a carerra marble top, and that was back when you could still get career marble that was white and gray. Now it's much more white, blue, gray. right, there's a lot of

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

a lot of blue in it.

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Mm-Hmm.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Um, and that's basically where they've gotten to into the Carrera once they dig into the ground. Because, you know, it's a natural thing. You can't get that classic white and gray, uh, simple veining anymore. You, to get that, you almost have to, you have to do quartzite. Um, cause even like the Imperial Danby, which if, uh, which I think we probably all love also, is like a white, was a a more white marble that had brown and gray veining in it. That was one of my favorites too, but I couldn't afford that. Okay. So that was, that was real pretty, but it was real pricey. Um, but I wanted to try to get that in there so I could get the career marble, but I wanted to warm it up. And so what we did was not only did we do the hardware in, in, in antique brass. Um, I then also found some accent tiles from a big box store. in antique brass and that's what we actually lined and did some of the finishing details with with it so it just makes it to me it's just just a very warm classic mixture of just pretty

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

It's pretty. Okay. Now let's completely pivot and let's pivot to hard surface flooring, for our house. And let's talk about, I'll call it real hardwood floors. Most people say that, but you know, laid hardwood floors that you stain and all that kind of stuff. Who wants to start kind of telling us that conversation and how you, that's Pick out the sides, sizes of the boards and what the wood is and how you pick out colors and all that kind of stuff. Who wants to lead on

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

will start and say, if you can, do it. If you can do real hardwood, just do it. People are like, I don't want my dog to scratch it. You know what? What do you love best about a hundred year old house that you walked in? Look at those floors. They got scratches on them. They got high heels on them. They got dogs on them. Somebody's peed on them, probably. I mean,

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

it, goes back to what we've said before, it is okay to have a wrinkle. Isn't it? Right? We're not looking for perfection. A house that's pretty, feels lived in, it feels warm, it feels evolved. And that's what grass cloth does for you. Right? That is what marble countertops does that has a little bit of a spaghetti stain on it. And that's what hardwood floors with age and life and a little bit of scratch does for you. It gives you a wrinkle. Wrinkles are good kids. Don't have to botox everything You feel

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

seen.

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

you feel it

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

You know, with, with the real world, there is something about walking into. a space that has true legitimate wood floors. There is, and I don't know if it's the sound, I don't know if it is what it is, but it doesn't matter what they do with the new manufactured wood floors or hands, like hand scraped, really however you want to get into it. There is a different feeling. It's almost like an aura. I don't see there's an energy. I don't know what you feel it. And I, that

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

okay stop right there, you know what you feel You feel mother nature. You feel earth. I believe that. that. you, you're digging, you, you just said we're digging out from the earth. It's natural. It's from, it's from the earth. And you have the tree and it's from the earth. Those things, it's hard to define that when it comes to design. But you, we, whatever's in our core of our bodies, we feel nature, right? Why do you go to the beach and you have to sit on the beach and you just sit and you feel the sand and you hear the sound and you see the water, you feel it. Or people that go for a hike and they walk through you feel the moisture you feel the history You smell right? It's those things you feel it in your bones And that's what design does when you bring in natural materials You feel that earth

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

It's true. I mean,

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

He channeled something today.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Lord, get him a bagel. Shoo.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Welcome shaman Dwayne today.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

He may.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

There is, it's just, it doesn't matter like how they, if you walk into one of these massive McMansions that they've built and they put in some, you know, you know, big, if it's not, it's the floor and Dwayne used to, I know I've mentioned this on here before, the flooring is so important to get right and build up from there. Um, and so if you can, if you can do

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

You know, and there was a, you know, there's been talk the last couple of months of a house that sold here in Lexington it's a big house. It's in a nice area. It has some good features and the entire house has LVT in it, a 4 million house with LVT floors. And that just kills it. That absolutely kills it for me. And years ago when that house was being built, not, not by this person, someone else built it first. There's another designer in town, um, that I actually went to design school with and was working on that house and left that job because they refused to put hardwood floor in it. And this is when LVT was coming out and real popular and real expensive. And it was one of those new things and these people just really wanted it. And he's like, I'm not going to build on this because I'm not doing it and left the project. And, um,

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

And he was

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

I would have to, because it's horrible. It's horrible

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

I'm not gonna,

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

In that caliber,

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

worst thing because there is a time and a place

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

there is. In the basement, it would be great

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Yeah,

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

it, it's functional, it might get wet, it, you know, whatever. That's great. In a laundry room, great. In the entrance for you with a double grand staircase. Not great. Okay. So we'll move on hardwood. That's my choice. Hardwood tile

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

we have a color of choice? Is there like one basic color that you kind of, I know it's all over the map, but is there one basic color?

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

medium.

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Medium brown, isn't it? Isn't it a minwax color, medium brown?

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

I I don't know a medium, I don't know a specific name medium, but I'm always trying to not, Anything that I can use that's brown that doesn't have red in it, that

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Well, this is it. So the reason I do that is, um, I have worked on the design project and um, they're putting hardwood floors in and saying it, and the client really lovely clients, but they're both engineers and I say that engineers in that engineers minds work slightly differently. Not in a bad way, just differently. So they've really. Micro, um, think about every detail, which is why they're good at their job. So when it comes down to the, all these colors, we all knew that we just literally, he kept saying, I just want it to be brown and I got it. And it's cause you don't want to yell. You certainly don't want it to red. You want it to orange. I just want it to be brown. And, uh, on his own, he went and sampled out or had the flooring guy sample out. I don't like eight colors, which was. Way not necessary. Right. But that again, that's how his mind worked. Three, three is the answer. Always pick from three. You'll get one of the three. Exactly. And, uh, the end result was he kept saying, I just wanted to be just basic Brown. In any, anyway, the color ended up being, I think medium Brown was the name of it. And I was like, Oh, well, there you go. Medium Brown's what the answer is. And it's beautiful. Absolutely

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

There's one. I just had to look it up. Provincial. I've used provincial. Quite a bit. It is a nice, medium brown, almost generic, can go with any other wood, paint, color, and tile. But

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Yep. Yep.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

a really good one.

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Yep. 100%. 100 percent used that one before. Is that, that's a Minwax

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

a Minwax color, yeah.

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Yep.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

um, you know, right now it's really trendy. You see all these beautiful homes in Utah or, you know, Rosemary Beach or wherever, and they are using a lot of like white, lighter, white oak, uh, Pick, you know, maybe some pickle, like very gray, like floor. And while I think it's beautiful,

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Mm hmm.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

have to have a full house

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Everything.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

it has to be the stuff, Everything. in the house has to make sense with that. And so for, for where we're located, It is not, unless you've built a modern specific trimmed home that all of the details plus the furnishings all make sense, that is probably not the smartest, I know it's not the smartest decision

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

It's not traditional

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

can't just throw your,

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

a traditional house in

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

in 10 years, you're going to go, holy shit. What did

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

you can't throw your granny's, you know, keepsake curio in, in on top of that, cause you wanted to keep something from granny. Nope. Sorry. Put it in the garage on that, on that color way. You just can't do it. Just can't do it.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

It's a, it's a, it's a hard, it, it, it's, it's very hard. It's, uh, I mean, I appreciate the look. I think it's beautiful. I could live in it, uh, but it's a full,

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

you know who,

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

it's, it's, all encompassing it's, it's, you have to commit and you, and for me, it's also like the black, uh, windows, uh, like the trim, the black trimmed windows. Like if you're going to do it, you have to commit, like you can't just half ass it because then it just looks like. It doesn't make any sense at all. And then you've stuck with it and you spent a fortune on it.

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

hmm.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Sorry.

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

So when

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

and you know who

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

um, real hardwood floors, what sizes of hardwood floors do you, that the wood come in? Is it two inch, four inch, six inch?

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

you. Like the white, white Oak

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

You can have various sizes.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

or two and a half or something, but then some of the other ones are, you know,

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

So you have these choices, though, that you can get them all two, three, five. Do you all mix it up? Do you keep it all the same size? Um, doesn't matter. Let the customer decide.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

I usually pick same size of whatever species

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Are you, are you talking about in a remodel or are you talking about completely new? Dwayne?

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

It's either because you, it's either. Cause like I did the remodel on the island. It's an older house. Uh, it's a subdivision here in Lexington. It's an older house, but, um, we ripped everything out and started over. So, um, I can do whatever size of flooring that I want it. Um, even though it's an old house,

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Yeah. I usually match whatever it is as well.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Yeah. If it, if it's, if it's existing, yeah. Match it. If you're starting from scratch, pick a size. Does that make

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

you don't care though.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

I don't care. Like in my, I Was going to say, in my old house, I did an addition there as well, a family room, but the entire house was two and a quarter inch white oak real floor. And I went round and round, I was like, well, it's a family room, maybe I should put carpet in here, but it matches, it butts right up to this wood, blah, blah, blah. I'm just like, no, I'm going to do wood. I'll put a rug in here. And I'm so glad I did, because then it truly is a seamless transition, like it's always been there. So, um, so yeah, I was fortunate. You know, that was a 1970s house, and right on the cusp of when they were stopping hardwood. You know, because at a point, you know, the 40s, 50s, 60s, all those houses floors were hardwood. And people put carpet over it. Cause they're like, I want it soft, you know? So in the seventies, they're like, people are like, I'll screw it. Just put sub floor down and we're going to do carpet. And then that became a

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

my,

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

you know?

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

my grandparents, when they, the house that they lived in, I, I don't six, well, hell, I don't know how long, very long time, but my mom was raised in the house. So that tells you, um, and she was, 67, 8, 9, when Granny died. Um, so they'd lived in a long time. It had wooden floors. I did not know that. Because when I was born, they decided to put down carpet. Illinoisan. And they just put it right down on top of it. And then when, when she passed away and we ended up selling the home, the new owner got it and ripped it all up. I was like, those beautiful floors were underneath, but it was, they kept saying, we didn't want you to fall and hurt your head. I'm like, my head is hard enough. It is not going to get hurt on this hardwood, this wood floor.

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Let's say that we have hardwood floors on the first floor. Now we have a second floor house. We're going up. We've got steps. Now we've got this hallway landing area. We're going to put hardwood floors in

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Okay.

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Okay. Used to then, you would never see those bedrooms upstairs also hardwood floors. And I say older houses, absolutely. But in the last 25 years, you wouldn't see that. Right. It would be always carpeted. So probably about 10 years ago, I started seeing builders doing it with the higher end homes and they were putting hardwood floors in the bedrooms upstairs on the second floor too, right? I was like, yeah, I like that. I like that. But does it bother you? As long as we have the hardwood floors out in the hallway and you've got these three bedrooms, is it okay for those bedrooms to be carpeted first? And is it okay for those three bedrooms to be different carpet?

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Uh, I'm okay with it. Carpet. I would prefer them to all be the same carpet. And I say, I'm okay with it. Carpet, as long as there's wood in the hallway, because I think for a noise factor, especially if there's kids or something like that, you know, a house in 1960 was typically built a little better than a house in 1990 or 2000. And the noise transfer is completely different. So I would want carpet in my kid's room up there. Now saying that in my, you know, Tara house, Allie's room. Is all hardwood. I mean, every, everything's hardwood, except when I built the master, I put carpet in there because I wanted carpet in my bedroom because I wanted some soft spot somewhere. Um, but it also doesn't really abut up to anything that you can see that transition, you know,

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Well, the reason I asked that question is that I'm working in my house right now and I went the opposite direction. Uh, and I didn't, didn't really doubt it much that we've got the hardwood floors out in the hallway and we're doing a guest bedroom and it's a whole commitment. Very Laura Ashley looking and it is the walls are going to be the soft blue and, and, and floral chances, blues and greens. Uh, Wayne's carded. panels, uh, anyway, lovely room, but we did a lattice style carpeting that is a green and white. And so it really has a very garden feel to it. And, um, I just don't have any remorse of doing that. Um, even though the, the, um, the, the room next door to it is Marthanne. Thank you, Marthanne for listening today, audience number 477. Uh, That the husband's little man cave, it'll be, it'll be some neutrally carpet. It will not be this green girly carpet. Right. And, um, I get it that, you know, in the 1970s, you had carpet in the hallway, right, in the eighties, even, um, seventies, you, and you had red shag carpet in the master bedroom, mama's house, and then I had blue. Carpet looked like stones or rocks or something in it. And the other one was purple shag, right? Whatever it was. And that isn't appealing to me, but because it had then some other brown carpet in the hallway. So you had all this patch quilt, but for some reason, if I can have the hardwood floors out in the hallway, I feel like I can change it up now. I would only really ultimately. Probably feel comfortable changing up that one room and the other two bedrooms or three bedrooms, whatever is up there would ultimately be the same carpet. But that one room, I was okay with changing it up because it gave me a sense of personality when you walked into the room. So, um, Agree or don't agree. I, I, that's the direction I'm going, but I feel okay with that one. And it's not, it's not, it wasn't the most safe of decisions, but I feel like it gave, I feel good with it and I feel like it's gonna gimme the look that I want for this room.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

I would prefer hardwood everywhere. I realize that some people need, they want to have carpet in their, bedroom. It was interesting, sir, when we were over and you were giving us the tour. And when I stepped down into your primary and I was like, Oh, I forget. This is what carpet feels like. Because, you know, we don't have it. Everything, everything's hard. And we have

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Even

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

floors. Yeah. we have we have rugs, but upstairs they're

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

why know? But

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Downstairs they're either, sisal or wools that look like sisal, um, or tile. So I'm like, Oh, this is what carpet feels like. And I'm like, Hey, it's nice. I don't want it. But I realized that some people, like they, they have to have that, that in their, in their, in their bedroom. And I get it. I don't want it, but I

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

I get it. I do, I do get it. I do get it.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

I would prefer probably for the carpets ought to be the same because

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Mm hmm.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

I think when at mom and dad's house, I remember. All the bedrooms were different. Like, it was, like, I think the house, you know, whatever remnant they could find, right. Like, that was what they were putting

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

I mean, Yeah, my my

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Have y'all bought carpet lately? I know Stuart has. It is not cheap anymore. it is whoo, right? But there is also more varieties more choices and wonderful textures you also can imagine so Anyway, you're getting what you pay for because it's not just There's not just generic

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

No,

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Basic carpet and it is, and that's probably what's inexpensive. I guess I'm always looking for something different and therefore it is expensive. It becomes like, but that is

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

You know what? We need to do one of these, either, uh, another one of these about flooring. And we need to have Carrie or our friend Lindsay on, because they would be some people to give us some information about

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

yeah. Oh yeah. That's a good point. Yeah. Okay. We're going to talk about the rug people.

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

The rug, does it match the drapes?

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Well, this is a good conversation. We think we taught some people things and we learned, and we learned each other's taste too, and I think, right, that we, I keep coming back to, we do design, but we do all independent and there's a common thread, but we also have our own slightly approaches on things. So, uh, we, we continue to do this and learn about each other also. And hopefully God, um, our listening audience of tens of tens, so they can learn something.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Yes. Well,

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

many are we up to, Jeremy? How many people listening? Well, I've had people reach out to me, multiple people saying, I just want to know if my voice is being heard. Am I one of them

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Then, then are they texting? Text the hotline and let us know you're there.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Oh, great. Yeah. A great way to let us know is to send a text or a call to our hotline, which is 859 412 1572 and let us know what you think about what we've talked about, what you want us to talk about, how Dwayne can be an asshole. Um, how, um, now we'll get the hate mail that we're

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

god. Well hey, that'll get them to text at least.

squadcaster-04hc_1_07-25-2024_090654:

Oh, oh,

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

um, but okay. So send us, send us what you got to our hotline. And, uh, because we also, while we were at market, talked with a lot of people who had listened to the podcast. And so I know that

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

You're out there. You're out there.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

you're out there. You're out there. Let us know what you want and we'll give you more. All right. We'll talk to you all

stuart-guest835_1_07-25-2024_090711:

Alright.

jeremy-host362_1_07-25-2024_090711:

See y'all. Bye.

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