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S1:E16 Performance Fabrics?

• Jeremy Rice • Season 1 • Episode 16

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Have you ever felt overwhelmed choosing fabrics for upholstery?  The endless options, patterns, and colors can be incredibly intimidating.  AND NOW they've thrown in another option in...Performance Fabrics?  What the heck are they? Are they the end all be all? Are they all equal to one another? Are they always more expensive?  Feeling overwhelmed again?  No worries, that's what we're discusssing in today's podcast!  After listening, you should have a better handle on what that means, when it's important, what options it gives you, and what questions you might want to ask when getting new furniture!

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dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Yeah. That makes sense. Oh, you there.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Yeah, I'm here.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Okay. I pushed a button on the microphone. Just trying to get closer to me and then hit, uh, don't touch stuff, Dwayne. It's basically, I just learned don't touch stuff.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

What are we

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Oops.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Because I think this is your rodeo today, Dwayne.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Yeah, you know, lately, uh, it's about, um, buying furniture, sofas, chairs and stuff, and it's about how things are made and, uh, the fabrics that go on it. And, uh, it, I don't wanna get bogged down into it'cause it can get a little complicated, but I'm want to be able to get it across. technical things, uh, and what you're talking about, but it's about the upholstry fabrics and what it's made out of. And so you can understand, cause you'll buy something and it's like, well, this fabric didn't hold up right. Or I cleaned it and it made a big old spot, right? Well. There's reason behind everything and, or the cushions tore up or whatever. And so we're going to kind of talk about those things to get you understand what you're buying and why it did hold up or why it didn't hold up. And to have a little more understanding, if you're going to go buy a chair or sofa, um, kind of know, know what you can, Should do and shouldn't do and why you should do it and why you shouldn't do it. That's kind of what I want to lean in on today. Cause I've been doing a lot of, uh, couch and chairs kind of consulting with people. And, uh, you know, it gets confusing truthfully, even though I've done this a long time and not, um, I went and talked to, uh, Jennifer and Mark at the local furniture store and Mark really is this kind of, um, technical guru, uh, to me. Uh, and he knows everything. So he, I actually, I learned things, uh, when I kind of got prepared for this conversation, things I didn't even know about. And I'm like, Oh, okay. I didn't know this. I've been doing this for a long time and had no clue that that was, uh, something that was an issue. So that's what I want to talk about today. There you go, Jeremy. Where are you now?

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Ha,

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Okay. Well,

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

ears hearing Gracie my cat scream downstairs'cause she knows I'm home she's like, where do you go? So it's just a matter of time. I'm telling you now,

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

why don't you bring your cat to work?

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

she doesn't deal well now that she's hard of hearing, she can deal with people. Um, but I can't keep her contained. Yeah,

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

I gotcha, I gotcha. Oh, oh,

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

She's got it made here. Believe me.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

does she? Okay, okay. Just lock her away in her little pen. I gotcha. So, one of the biggest things I think that's for us in the last few years, we'll see if you agree with this, is the terminology, the concept of fabric called performance fabrics. Okay. And that feels like that's been a game changer. So what performance fabrics are, it's a process of making fabrics and the easiest way to explain it, it makes the fabric Cheeto proof, right? You can rub Cheetos on it. You can rub, uh, chocolate on it. And if you clean it the right way, and it depends on this whole thing, we'll talk about that. It's going to be fine. So you literally can now have a white sofa And if it's a performance fabric, you can sit on it, you can eat Cheetos on it, and you can clean it. Now, I don't probably want a white sofa, but I do think a lot of people like lighter color sofas and linen covered sofas. So, our backstory is when we had the kids, and this is, you know, they're older now, this performance fabric concept wasn't something around. So we, uh, always covered the sofas in much darker colors. So like one time it was chocolate brown, the color of dirt. And one time the same sofa, cause it goes back to buying a good sofa. You recover it. It was covered in a dark, dark blue cause it's dark. Uh, but now if I want to, um, I can go get a performance, um, fabric and have it recovered or a new sofa. And tannish linen color and it'll hold up and do just fine. So has. So I ask you both, has the fact that you can now choose a sofa in a performance fabric and there's a lot more flexibility as far as lighter colors typically, has that helped you or made any difference at all?

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Yes, I've definitely done a lot more white furniture.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Mm hmm.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Definitely.

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Yeah.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Expand upon that. Tell me, because before you, before you had to say, well you can't have light colors in there because it just won't hold up, right? Now, well it just wouldn't hold up.

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Right.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Well, there before you don't do it.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

our sofa and chair at our first house were, um, they were from Macy's. Uh, so we're not, you know, not super super iron fringe or anything. but they were made out of white linen and we love the look of them. They got filthy, you know, and we live, this is where we sat every day and we watched it, um, and you know, there's so many different ways and Dr. Leggett, my college professor would be so disappointed in me right now. Cause there's so many, cause there's so much I don't remember. But, um, when it comes to like down. pieces of clothing or when there's different ways of dying or coloring an item. So there's piece dyed where it's made and then you paint it. diet, their solution died where it's like, it's actually the colors built into the thread or the, the, the material that it's made. But a lot of like the dark jeans now they're pieced out. So the color that's applied to them is applied after they're made. And this is the problem when you wear dark jeans and then that blue color rubs off on, on chairs. That's what happens, right? So

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Mm hmm. Mm

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

So

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

hmm. Mm.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

fortunately at that time, we didn't have any jeans that did it. That's our sofa. But we said, we will never do this again because it was, you know, you couldn't take care of it. Now I'd have white furniture everywhere. Cause that's just what I like.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

There. And you don't have to worry about it. You really don't.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

No, but you know, there's different kinds of, uh, uh, performance fabric. So like, not all of them are technically, I'm not gonna say created equal. Cause I guess all they're, they're probably all better than what not. Right.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Right, right,

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

UV protected as well. So the sun won't fade them.

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Right.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

right. Well, this all started with the concept I thought, and Stuart, you can kind of chime in on this, that it's almost like, um, like, uh, Sunbrella fabrics, right? That you, you know, it started with that concept that they were outdoors and then people's like, Oh wow, this beads up and it waters up and you can eat on it and all this kind of stuff, and then they started. Turn that into fabrics that were softer and better that can went inside. And I really think that was kind of the prefaces, right? Am I wrong on that one? Do you think that's how it started?

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Well, I mean, Sunbrella was definitely one of the first ones to, excuse me, to be quote unquote waterproof, you know,

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Right.

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

because things did beat up on them and it didn't stain and it could sit outside for a long time and it was made for tropical environments. And so, you know, I don't know where that translation, translation came through to put it inside unless somebody's like, hey, don't we make this so it can go inside

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Mm hmm. Mm

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

sack? a

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

hmm.

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

fabric is crunchy, is how I

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

It is hard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

of, made of poly synthetic materials. Yeah.

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Which is

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Yeah. Which is,

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

can go outside, because it's basically plastic.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

yeah.

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

You know.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Or an oil, an oil byproduct. Yeah. Absolutely. Right?

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

So,

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Um,

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

you know, that translates into, I know you were talking about furniture, but that does translate into carpet too, because there's no carpet that performs the exact same way.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

see, I didn't know that.

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

where it will, a red wine will beat up on it and you just put a paper

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Okay.

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

it doesn't soak in, it doesn't stain it, you know, so.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

really applying the same concept to it, right?

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Right.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Okay. I didn't, I didn't think I thought about that, but yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

should have gotten with Jane to confirm this, but. was a fabric that I'd ordered for a customer. It was a Krypton fabric, which that tells people that chances are it's performance. Cause Krypton makes a lot of performance fabrics. I ordered it. They had it in stock, but it had to be treated. And I said, what do you mean it has to be treated? He's like, well, they have to spray it with the performance, but the performance spray. And I was like, I just thought it was like woven into it. And she's like, no, they spray it. So I was like, Oh, that's like with the rugs you can actually have, there's a company out of a town close to us that actually you can take them, your rugs and they'll spray them.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Again, see, this is what this is all about. Did not know that.

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

So then that makes me wanna ask the question is the, the term performance fabric just been marketed very well because back in the day when you could buy, and I have a long time ago in my first apartment, bought furniture at Value City Furniture. You could, you could put that spray protected on it, and it would

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Yeah. Like Scotchgard something, right. Extreme version of Scotchgard.

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Right. Right. You know, and you pay your extra 112 to extend the life of your sofa. So, has it been marketed well? Has it changed? Or is it the same stuff? Right.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

a,

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

that

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

yeah, that's a great question. I don't know.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

I think technology wise, I think what they use has probably been altered because like, I remember even like getting that stuff sprayed on the furniture, the, it wasn't going to like bead off or like, it wasn't going to like perform like this stuff does now. So it has to be a combination of what the material is made out of. And then also a coating applied. So I, cause like the, the fabric that I did, uh, that I had ordered that they had to get sprayed, it's like a really super soft chenille. It's beautiful. It's just textured. It's so pretty. It's so good in her chairs. Um, and the before and after you can, you know, you can't feel it. You can't touch it, but you pour water on it. Mm hmm.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Mm hmm.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

beat and fall right off.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

So all this little dance is if you go in and you're ordering a new sofa and you say, I want a fabric that's a performance fabric, all this in depth conversation, these people probably not going to know, right? All they're going to know is it's a performance fabric that it beads up, it resists water, it resists stains. They're going to probably not going to know that it's sprayed on. They're probably not going to know it was initially built into it, uh, unless they do some deep dive digging into it. And I don't know, honestly, I'm learning this together. Yeah. All I know to do is walk in and say, I need a fabric that's going to hold up. And they're going to say to me, well, let's look at the performance fabrics because it's going to do a lot better than this other stuff. So really that's where I was started. All this really in depth is, I don't know, really. Uh, and now learning it's like, well, that's even a deeper question, but Lord, it's like the building a bridge. You certain point, you don't want to know everything. It's just like, is it going to do okay or not? Right. Right. I'm like, I just, is it going to do okay or not? Cause I don't, I don't really don't care. But. The longest of it, if you walk in and if you buy a sofa, you really do want to start now with trying to find the fabric that you like. That's a performance fabric. That's really what I'd say. You can leave it all that. It's all said and done now when you do, um, a sofa, um, I do tend to buy the bigger piece and I do tend to keep it lighter and more neutral as a general rule and that's why it's important for me to get, um, a performance fabric because I want it to be. Light cream color, light tan color, light beige color. And then I add, um, the less expensive pieces, uh, cause sofa's most expensive typically, not always, but typically, uh, with more pattern and more punch. Right. So, uh, one of the things I ran into recently was, okay, we're going to do this, um, family room. And they have literally, uh, an oopsie. They have a little four year old and they have a 14 year old and a 20 year old. Right. So they're always going to have kids all their life at this point. And the family was right next to the kitchen and they just live in that space. And, uh, but the whole vibe is, uh, chinoiserie, which is, you know, um, Blue and white and Chinese oriented and, uh, but it's apple greens and blues and kind of very light colors and preppy colors and happy colors. So light colored sofa. So there was a furniture company prior to me getting involved with it. They bought a beautiful, beautiful sofa, beautiful silhouette, beautiful shape to it. Formal for a family room, very formal shape to it with small children. And, um, Very expensive, maybe four years, maybe four years. It looks like it's went through World War II. It did not hold up, uh, whatever fabric that they believed they were doing the right thing. They were sold. I don't, I didn't delve into it too much because it didn't matter. Right. It just did not hold up. Now they were told, Oh yeah, this fabric will hold up to your family. It didn't. But on more importantly, it also, uh, just. Didn't the, even though this was like a very expensive sofa, the framework didn't hold up, the cushions didn't hold up and I started trying to figure out why is, you know, so now they're shell shocked, right? Because he bought, spent so much money on this couch and it's only four years later and I have to say to them, well, it's not worth recovering. It really wasn't.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Especially if the

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

we're,

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

up. Yeah,

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

have you guys heard of the terminology eight way hand tied, right?

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Yes. Not

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

who knows how to explain that as well as they can? So you probably feel like you're more technical, do you know? Can you explain that to the audience what that means? If you don't know, I'll, I'll, I'm not putting you out there. No,

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

like I can see the description of it of how basically the webbing is tied to the frame and it has a certain pattern in it, but I don't know how else to describe it than

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

no, okay, so basically,

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

It has to do

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

it's the springs, it literally is, yeah, so eight way hand tied is, is basically it's, it's springs, not coils, it's springs. And then it gets mogged down into, uh, it's made out of metal. Well, it depends on the gauge of the metal. We're not going to do all that. That gets too complicated, but you do understand if you buy an eight way hand tie, right, that's kind of the, uh, the gold standard once it's all said and done, there's something called continuous, uh, spring. Continue. So there's all kinds of complicated things, but ultimately, if you have a budget that's better than not, you know, always try to buy a sofa that's eight way hand tight, cause that's, what's going to hold up. That's what's going to feel better. Okay. So it's basically big spring and if you buy moderate price point and or more, you're usually going to get a gauge that's good enough, right? And then randomly it's still old school. They, that they have this spring system and they literally take, um, pretty heavy duty, uh, Let's say twine really is what it is like a roping and then they literally hand tie these together And it becomes like a shock system like on your car And it gives and it moves and these little In essence ropes kind of connect everything together. It sounds really old school But that has held the test of time of what really will hold up once it's all said and done So when I was working with the guys, uh at lexington furniture, you know They sell different brands and one sofa might be 1, 500 and you might have one that's 3, 500. And, uh, Mark said, just go put your hand under and feel under the seat of this one and go feel it under the other one. So I went and felt, and like I could push up on the less expensive one. It had all kinds of give. And that was something called a continuous, um,

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Spring.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

uh, spring system. Think sensuous spring system. And that's the less expensive way to go. And then I went over to the more expensive one and like, I couldn't move the bottom of it. I mean, I barely could push it up and that was eight way hand tied. So it goes back to, if you have an old sofa that you've had for a long time and it's really held up, then you might want to recover it because, you know, it was really, really well made, but. When you're buying a sofa, so far we established, try to find a fabric that is performance fabric and try to find a sofa that is eight way hand tied. Now there gets complications into, does it just literally drop in, which means they make it and sit inside of it, or it's part of the frame. Obviously, it's like, it's better to be part of the frame, but if you have to choose in budgets, I still really rather have the eight way hand tied ones. It's all said and done. Does that make sense?

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

if that's what's important to you, yeah.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

That, well, and so when I say that, you know, every, every person's budget, I go back to, and I think we've all said this, that, um, you know, buy what you can afford, but buy the most expensive you can afford. So if it is a thousand dollars sofa, you still ask the right questions, but it's probably not going to hold up. Right? Like you talked about your sofa from value city. It just, is it gone?

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Oh lord,

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Jeremy,

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

30

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

you're, you're, yeah, right. So when Stuart and I worked together at another furniture store, uh, this French store that no longer has a name, uh, you may not remember this, um, but I bought furniture from them, um, and I still have that sofa. And that was 22

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Yeah,

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

years ago. And when we had in the family room and that's the sofa that started off with like these crazy pink flowers on it and then it covered

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

one?

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

that's a floral one and then it got chocolate brown and got blue. Uh, now it's kind of a caramely, uh, tan color. When we decided to put a sectional in the great room, we moved that sofa upstairs. Uh, and I think that Ian thought I was going to get ready to have a heart attack. Apparently I turned like, uh, the color of a beat because that sofa. literally weighed 300 pounds. I swear this thing is a heavy sofa and it goes to the testament. You know, um, if you buy it right and get it right the first time, you may not want it in your lifetime, but, um, I've had it recovered three times. Uh, and it still is a piece of lead and it's upstairs in the family room and looks as good as it did 22 years ago. True story, true story. And, uh, but it goes back to buying, buying, buying good brand as much as you can, because anything that I bought that's cheap, uh, is long gone once it's all said and done,

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Well, that's why it's cheap. It's not intended to last.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Well, but people don't understand that. That's what I'm trying to get across is that. And it really walks into the story. Only, I'm only asking to spend as much money as you can for furniture that you use daily, right? If it's in the formal living room, if it's a chair in a bedroom, I don't care. Right. Cause it's not, you're not, you're not worried about it. It's just for looks. This is only, I'm only asking you to do the best that you can for your family room or wherever you sit the most, because you ultimately get the return back from it once it's said and done.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

this is where you waller.

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Right.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

is where you all are right and sleep and lay and eat and have your Cheetos and all that kind of stuff. Okay. So now let's talk about how to clean this thing. We've got that. We've got our cream colored sofa. We like how it sits and Little baby Allie comes in there and she got her Cheetos and she rubs that Cheetos all over that cream colored sofa. What do you clean it with Stuart?

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

I will have to ask Rosalita. Yeah.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

I would,

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

With that Rosalene?

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

I would say just water.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Okay, what would you clean it with?

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

would always start with water only

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Okay, and here's where it gets really complicated. It depends.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

yeah,

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Even though any kind of fabric, every kind of fabric, even though if it's, um, performance fabric, it depends. So there's these codes, and there's W, which means water,

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

mm hmm

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

There is S, that's just for solvents, which is like dry cleaning materials, right? A little bit, that's really why they keep saying dry cleaning materials. Like, well, cleaners, what, I don't even know what dry cleaning material or, uh, cleaner is. I don't know what that is, right?

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

wool

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

a chemical.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

was like, will I? Okay. See, I didn't, when he said that, I was like, well, I don't know what that means. So you've got water, you got solvent, you've got WS, which means, which is the best. You can clean it with water or solvent. Okay. Okay, or the final one, which does not exist very much, and we almost go past this, is X, which means you can only vacuum it, but that fabric is very minimal. I don't think I've ever seen one that I've been told that. Right?

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

That you can

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

never heard of that.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

you can only vacuum. Well, again, they don't make very much of it, so it's really a moot point in a way.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Did Hoover make the fabric? I don't understand. Like, that's not the

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

I don't look, I know, look, I was like, Mark told me that and I was like, I've never heard that. And he said, it's so, so few. He said, but technically I have to tell you that. And technically it does exist. So when you're buying a fabric, not only do you have to find something that's pretty and you like the color of it, and you know, it's going to hold up. Then you have to figure it out, and the salesperson has to tell you, and this is how you clean it. Well, so I said to the guys at the furniture store, Well, is there something that you, it's written on your paperwork, or how do you know this? And he's like, oh, no, we just tell you that when you buy it, maybe we'll tell you when it gets delivered. I'm like, this is like two years later, and the Cheeto juice has been rubbed on it. I'm not gonna remember Right. Are you?

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

mm

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

I'm not. No, no, no, no. Right. And so I said, so there's no, there's no way of knowing. And so now I'm going to freak out because there's this red wine sitting there. Do I blot it or do I rub it? Do I vacuum it? Do I water it? I don't know. Even though it's beating up, I don't know. And I said to him, I said, is there like a code on like the tag and it tells you the brand that tells you how to clean? And he said, nope. And I said, wouldn't I have been. Smart. And he said, yep. And so what I said is that,

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

not his fault.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

what? No, no, no, no. I'm not judging him, but he said, yeah, that's a good idea. I even started thinking about this some more because again, there's no memory. And you'll help me a little bit. It's called the deck, which is that the fabric part where, you know, it's just the ugly stuff, uh, and the cushion set on top of it, and I thought, Well, why don't we my tell them a customer if you want to this fabric is a solvent cleaner only get you a black Sharpie and just ride big S on a corner over there or something. And when you freak out and you can't remember it, you just listen to them. So, oh, yes, that means solvent. Well, I see, I need some kind of. Tell me how to clean this. And it was like, well, the only way I know do it is just a little sharpie and write it on that. And he said, some manufacturers are starting to explore that and they're doing some information. They put it on the deck. He said, but most have not done it. And he said, you're ahead of the curve because people, they're not, they're not going to remember two days from now what I told him, right? So if you buy a sofa, um, Take a sharpie and write on the corner of it, under the cushion somewhere, WS, WS, whatever it is, so you know how to clean this stuff, right? That make sense?

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

mm

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

That's a good idea.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Okay, let me ask you this. Do you think that if you buy a sofa that, uh, the performance fabric is, um, the most expensive fabric choice that you can choose?

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

No,

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

No, it's not. Even though technically it's the best fabric to use in most cases, it's manufactured, uh, it's mass produced, even though it is the best to buy, it's not translates to being the most expensive. So don't translate a fabric being the most expensive Being the best or fabric being cheaper, not as good because people will come and say, well, I want the, the, the best fabric. Well, that was cheaper. So I won't hold up. It won't be as good. Nope. Not true. Right. Have you heard that one? People say that to you? Well, why is that cheaper? It's not gonna hold up. Is it? And I was like, no, no, no, no. Has nothing to do with quality. It's just, uh, Uh, how it's made and the manufacturing process dictated the price, not the quality dictated the price. So you can have a better fabric and it'd actually be cheaper, or you could have a more expensive fabric and it'd actually not hold up as good.

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

right

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

True story, right?

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

mm

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Yeah. I mean, it all comes down to the, yeah. To, to the test that the fabrics put through and all that kind of stuff. I, I, I tend to, I won't. I, Ooh. think there are exceptions. I can't say that a cheaper fabric might perform as well because we've just seen it,

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

When it,

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

I know

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

when it comes to performance fabrics, it's really, really what can come,

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Ha,

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

that concept. So now the next little part of the puzzle, and I'm going to say the Stewart's probably the expert on this. Uh, it's about how many rubs you get. Okay. So, uh, the rub test. And so what's funny with it, by the way, I, I've been saving that line for you.

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

good.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

That was good. It's about, um, 50,000 rubs. 15,000 rubs. Do you all know what that means at all and what the,

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

slightly, yeah.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

so Well, you tell us what you know then, brother.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Well, I know that they put them through a computerized test. Well, it's computerized now anyway. And it does the equivalent of rubbing or getting up or getting down or doing some kind of friction on the fabric and seeing how well that holds up over a number of repeated moves.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Gotcha.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

changes the tensi tensil tensil there's some words I can't remember from college. But if it, if it, um, yeah, if it, if it, if it changes, if it changes that, or if it changes, uh, the hand, if it peels, if it, the, yeah, yeah, mm hmm, mm hmm,

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

away if

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

mm hmm,

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

the

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

yeah, all

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

all that stuff.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Heh

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

buy a fabric that has 50, 000 double rubs or above, you're in good shape. If you're 15, 000 double rubs, um, probably not going to be so good, right? But around, Stuart can confirm this number, uh, with that 50, 000 is your, your, your, your, your goal, right? So,

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

is my threshold.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

There you go. Good time. Good time. So, so far we established that we are looking for, um, a sofa that ideally has is made out of performance fabric that is 8 way hand tied. And this fabric has a 50, 000 rub quality to it or more. Those are some of the base to get you a sofa. That's going to last a long, long time. Okay. That helps, right? And then when you clean it, water, water, solvent, that's doesn't matter. As long as you know how to clean it. Once you make a mistake with it, that, that, that doesn't matter once it's all, uh, factored into it. Okay. Uh, when you buy performance fabrics or any fabrics, do you know if it's made out of polyester? Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Is polyester good or bad with upholstery? Either of, you know,

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

I'm sure this is a loaded one. I would say you don't want anything truly made out of polyester. Um, but I would say it's probably not good. That's going

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Wrong answer. It's a good thing.

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

in a blend.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

thing.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

The

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Yeah.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

polyester is everything can be, there's so many different kinds of, uh, chemical compounds that can be considered polyester.

dwayne-guest156_1_05-30-2024_130927:

well, if it's, if it's 60 percent polyester

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

hmm.

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Polypropylene,

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Tinsel Tinel, however, that's spelled tinsel. If it's also got that run, run, run people. So what's in those rugs that have you give you that shiny finish that make you feel like it's silk it, 10

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

polypropylene

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Well, one of the, well that's like the outdoor out outdoor rugs, but,

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

It's bad. Well, no, because people are, some manufacturers are blending it into an otherwise good rug, but the more you walk on that rug, the shinier it gets because of that polypropylene those other fibers. So if you want to

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

and I know that,

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

If you want to keep it outside on your porch and, you know, wash it off every now and then, that's fine. But a polypropylene based content rug inside your home is gonna, it'll be more shiny the more you walk on it and the more you vacuum

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Hmm. Well, uh, and 10, uh, 10 Tencel, T-E-N-C-E-L and layoff cell. It's the same. It's basically the same. I can't say the same thing, but it's made by the same company. It is the stuff that's in those rugs that you'll, if you see a cheap rug on Wayfair and you're going to go, Ooh, this is only 69 for an eight by 10 first warning sign, right? And then you get it in and it's all shiny. It's so pretty. It's so shiny. It's sparkly. It would just, it would feel so luxurious and nice. And then you walk on it and then there's your door, there's your footsteps. And then, Oh God, I dropped some water. I got to wipe that off. And then you rub it on there. And then the, the, the fabric. Or the, the, um, filament, the thread, if you will, breaks down and it will show, show where you cleaned it. So run. Do not 10 cell, 10 cell, T E N C E L and light a sale. L Y O C E L L. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Yeah. Well, I'll see it used tensile used to be, you'd see it there. And then they started changing the names because people were saying, Oh, it's awful. So that's when they use a lot of cell. And I think there's another name as well. And I learned that from, uh, Lindsay over at the carpet store. Um, because, uh, she mentioned, she was like, Oh, that's got the, you don't want to use it. And I was like, is that You know, it's basically the same as tinsel. She goes, Oh, yeah, they just renamed it. So people don't can't catch on. No, I think it's completely different. Yeah

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

totally different. Yeah. It's poly No, no, because I have found, I have looked at some things I liked and I have been told by the same people, uh, no, I will not let you put that in your house because, because of what that is. She goes, because in six months you're going to call me back and say it's horrible.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

And if it just confuses you, welcome to the group

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

It is. It's

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

because it

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Right. Find somebody else. Yeah.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Mm-Hmm, Well, there we go.

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Okay.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Hell, well, if they're listening to this, they're already finding us on our podcast

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Do we have a I was gonna say, do we have a new number?

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

I, I, no, I haven't refused to look, Lord God. I'm, I'm here. I'm looking. Sorry. I'm sorry. I forgot. You can't, I'm sorry you can't see me. I remember, I, I forgot that.

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Yes. It's just a frozen you.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

It doesn't. Why will it not? Well, I don't know. I'll have to tell you when I get back to the store. Cause I can't. I don't know. It's not telling me on the app. But we have, but we're, we're, uh, yeah, we're doing good.

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Okay.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

It doesn't, it doesn't tell me. It shows me how many downloads have been last week. But it doesn't tell me a total altogether. Well, we, we've, um, doubled since day one. So, all right. I think that we have overloaded people with lots of wonderful information. And if they have questions, don't forget, you can text us, um, to the number below in the show notes and, um, we'll see what else we can talk.

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Alright. Cool.

jeremy-host275_1_05-30-2024_130927:

All right. We'll see y'all later. Bye.

stuart-guest702_1_05-30-2024_130927:

Bye.

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